snows and mack snows...

[leonut]

I was just wondering, is a mack snow the same thing as a snow? :main_huh:

 

[thegeckoguy]

theres tug snows, gem snows, mack snows, and i think theres another or 2. Im not really for the snows so i dont really know lol

 

[fallen_angel]

No, a Mack Snow is a specific morph that was bred my John and Amy Mack. There are also TUG (The Urban Gecko) Snows, Gem Snows, and Line Bred Snows. The latter three were all line bred by different people, and so those types of Snows do not create Super Snows when bred back to eachother (i.e. Line Bred Snow x Line Bred Snow). The only Snows that will create Super Snows are the Macks. Either one or both parents need to be a Mack Snow in order to produce a Super Snow. This is what makes the Mack Snow gene co-dominant. With them, you can create Mack Snows, Super Snows, and normals. The Snows that are line bred will only create more line bred snows when they are bred with eachother. Geckos just advertised as "Snows" could be a product of a mixture of the different Snow morphs, i.e. Mack Snow x Line Bred Snow.

 

[leonut]

The line i was thinking of was TUG snows then. thanks!

 

[Gazz]

Mack snow-(Co-dom).
GEM snow-(Dominant).
TUG snow-(Dominant).
Albery snow-(Line bred).

 

[Nigel4less]

Albery snow-(Line bred).

There is no such thing as an Albey Snow although there are Line Bred Snows, and Albey Scholl just happens to be a prominent breeder of them.

 

[fallen_angel]

There is no such thing as an Albey Snow although there are Line Bred Snows, and Albey Scholl just happens to be a prominent breeder of them.

Well it is his line. The morph name may not be "Albey Snows" but saying "Albey Snows" is just referring to the Line Breds that came directly from him or from his lineage.

 

[Nigel4less]

Well it is his line. The morph name may not be "Albey Snows" but saying "Albey Snows" is just referring to the Line Breds that came directly from him or from his lineage.

But saying Albey Snows is misleading because your inferring that ALL LBS come from Albey Scholl which is not true.

 

[leonut]

Ooooh, one more question.... I know macks can't be temp sexed (TSed), but can TUG snows be TSed?

 

[fallen_angel]

But saying Albey Snows is misleading because your inferring that ALL LBS come from Albey Scholl which is not true.

It just depends on which way you look at and interpret it. I would not think that from seeing "Albey Snows", but everyone is different.

 

[Nigel4less]

Ooooh, one more question.... I know macks can't be temp sexed (TSed), but can TUG snows be TSed?

I can honestly say I have never had a problem Temp Sexing any of my Mack Snows. I have no experience with TUG snows so I wouldn't know. I`m pretty sure you could contact Craig Stewart and he could answer best(Since it is his Mutation)

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Nigel you are the most PC person that i have ever seen talk. It's great.

 

[fallen_angel]

We can't say the same with our Mack Snows. Even incubating at 82 degrees, we still got mostly males. Actually, the only Mack Snow female that we did get was incubated at 88 degrees. We had Snows from Mack Snow X Line Bred Snow, and they all turned out male as well.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

We can't say the same with our Mack Snows. Even incubating at 82 degrees, we still got mostly males. Actually, the only Mack Snow female that we did get was incubated at 88 degrees. We had Snows from Mack Snow X Line Bred Snow, and they all turned out male as well.

If that happened to me, I'd have to seriously consider the hardware (i.e., the thermostat or thermometer) to be defective. That margin of incorrect sexes seems really unusual to me. Not so much with the one female, but with all those males. Really odd!

 

[fallen_angel]

We do need to get a thermostat for the incubator, and we just use a hovabator. We also have the thermometer that it comes with, but according to a second thermometer that I used for awhile, it's off by 2 degrees, so I keep that in mind. If anything, instead of it being 88 degrees, it would have been 90, and we still got a female. I was already adding the 2 degrees when we had the temps down to 82 (the thermometer actually read 80).

So I don't know. This was our first year and we had 16 babies total, 8 of them being snows/mack snows and 3 of them being mack snow patties. Two of the Mack Snow patties had a possibility being female, we actually don't know about those because they sold before they were visually sexable. But so out of 11 babies being some type of Snow, there was only 1 defiinite female and 2 possible females that haven't been confirmed. I don't really think it's a problem with reading the temps, we have checked them constantly. I know we're not the only ones with mostly males that work with Snows/Mack Snows though.

 

[Gazz]

There is no such thing as an Albey Snow although there are Line Bred Snows, and Albey Scholl just happens to be a prominent breeder of them.

I think Albey warrets there own snow naming.As they have been working on there snows for sum time.And unlike other line bred snows Albey has bred E.M.Fasciolatus into the blood of there snows.That IMO makes Albey's strain of snows differant and i think it's a big enough differance to refer to them as Albey snows.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

I think Nigel's point, and it's a valid one, is that the hobby in general doesn't use the term "Albey Snow". That being said, I have heard and seen various members of the hobby use the term "Albey's Line Bred Snow". In my opinion, this is still quite an honor. It's still public recognition, and very flattering.

Let's face it. Everyone knows Albey, and everyone recognizes that he produces amazing geckos. And that doesn't just go for his line bred snows.

 

[fallen_angel]

I honestly don't see how this became an argument, I understand Nigel's point just fine, but it is also his point of view. There are many different points of view, and I was just expressing mine just like Nigel was expressing his. If someone said "Albey Snows" to me, I would understand that they weren't implying that all line bred snows are from Albey. I would just think they were talking about Albey's line of snows.. that's all.

 

[Bandit2008]

Some breeders hatched SS also from breeding TUG x Mack....it's very strange...

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

I honestly don't see how this became an argument, I understand Nigel's point just fine, but it is also his point of view. There are many different points of view, and I was just expressing mine just like Nigel was expressing his. If someone said "Albey Snows" to me, I would understand that they weren't implying that all line bred snows are from Albey. I would just think they were talking about Albey's line of snows.. that's all.

The problem is the term "Albey Snow" indicates a seperate morph, and that's simply not true. While you may not be confused by the term, that doesn't mean the intent is clear to all. Call morphs what they are, and not what they aren't.

And just because I don't accept your viewpoint, that doesn't mean I'm arguing.