snows and mack snows...

[fallen_angel]

Some breeders hatched SS also from breeding TUG x Mack....it's very strange...

Yes, we hatched a SS from a Line Bred Snow X Mack Snow :main_yes: Somehow, all of the different Snows have some sort of link, but it's something in the Mack Snow genes alone that produce the SS.

The problem is the term "Albey Snow" indicates a seperate morph, and that's simply not true. While you may not be confused by the term, that doesn't mean the intent is clear to all. Call morphs what they are, and not what they aren't.

And just because I don't accept your viewpoint, that doesn't mean I'm arguing.

I understand that it can indicate a seperate morph to some people, I just didn't think of it as a seperate morph when it was originally said by Gazz, and that's how this all got started lol. But I can see how it can be construed that way, it's all a matter of different interpretations and it's best not to confuse people.

And I know we're not talking about this anymore, but I was thinking about what you said about us having some kind of hardware problem and that being why we have gotten so many males in our snow groups. But I just realized that the temps along with the incubation period match up pretty well. I keep track of all of the dates. Here's the data:

88-90 degrees hatched anywhere from 35-37 days
86-88 degrees; 40-42 days
84-86 degrees; 45-46 days
82-84 degrees; all of our eggs ended up being no good so I have no data
and 80-82 degrees; 57-60 days

But one thing I left out before, only the last three babies that we hatched were incubated at 80-82 degrees (and it's also closer to 82 than 80). We started the season with high temps and slowly lowered them over time. Although, out of the last three babies, we still had one male (non-snow) lol. But anyway, this season we'll be keeping our incubator at 82 degrees, so we'll see how that goes

 

[Gazz]

The problem is the term "Albey Snow" indicates a seperate morph, and that's simply not true. While you may not be confused by the term, that doesn't mean the intent is clear to all. Call morphs what they are, and not what they aren't.

And just because I don't accept your viewpoint, that doesn't mean I'm arguing.

Shorely it no differant than.

Tangerine tornado-That are SHTCTB's.
Electric tangerine-That are hypo tangerines.
Firewater-That are Ralbino tangerine's.
Raining redstriped-That are Ralbino tangerine striped.

How would Albey snow be differant than any of the above ?.It's a statment to breeders hard work on refining the morph.We know these names to be versions of a exsisting morph so a line/a strain not to be a new morph.Albey snows have been around lond enough for people to know whats 'what'.

 

[lamarr]

Lumpers and Splitters

The last thing we need in the hobby right now is more people throwing out the same morph with a new name on it just because it was raised by a certain breeder. The forum is littered with threads referring to a Big breeder in Texas known for introducing HIS line of this and that as "the next big thing."

It tickles me that Albey doesn't claim naming rights to a line bred trait but this "arguement" sprouted anyway. If you refer to an "albey snow", how can that not confuse a newbie who is trying to learn the subtleties of snow genetics?

I would love to see someone with the time and background put together a sticky post of the "trade names" that morphs are sold as. I spent way too much time trying to figure out the sunglow,tangelo,hyglow thing!

 

[fallen_angel]

It's simply no different than just referring the type of Snow to the person that started a very specific line. TUG Snows are called that because the line is specifically from TUG. Mack Snows - created by John and Amy Mack. Again, saying "Albey Snow" is not indicating that Albey created all line bred snows IMO, just referring to his specific line. At any rate, I don't think one would use that term when talking to a newbie, because you're intent would be to explain, not to throw around names.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Shorely it no differant than.

Tangerine tornado-That are SHTCTB's.
Electric tangerine-That are hypo tangerines.
Firewater-That are Ralbino tangerine's.
Raining redstriped-That are Ralbino tangerine striped.

How would Albey snow be differant than any of the above ?.It's a statment to breeders hard work on refining the morph.We know these names to be versions of a exsisting morph so a line/a strain not to be a new morph.Albey snows have been around lond enough for people to know whats 'what'.

I'm NOT dictating ANYTHING, the HOBBY is! You need to turn your energy toward the hobby, and not towards me. :main_rolleyes: I haven't heard anybody use the term "Albey Snow", but whatever you and Jess want to use is of no interest to me. Call it whatever you like. Fine, Fertig, Over and Out!

P.S.: Surely

 

[fallen_angel]

And actually, I don't think you could explain Line Bred Snows to a newbie without mentioning Albey's name at some point in the conversation. And I'm not saying that Line Bred Snow and Albey Snow can be used interchangeably. The name isn't replacing the term "Line Bred Snow," it's simply just a way of being more specific of which line you are referring to.

haven't heard anybody use the term "Albey Snow", but whatever you and Jess want to use is of no interest to me.

Can't say I've ever used the term myself, it's just the point of the matter. You're obviously frustrated, soo.. sorry!

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

This was our first year and we had 16 babies total, 8 of them being snows/mack snows and 3 of them being mack snow patties. Two of the Mack Snow patties had a possibility being female, we actually don't know about those because they sold before they were visually sexable. But so out of 11 babies being some type of Snow, there was only 1 defiinite female and 2 possible females that haven't been confirmed. I don't really think it's a problem with reading the temps, we have checked them constantly. I know we're not the only ones with mostly males that work with Snows/Mack Snows though.

I'm just trying to make some sense of why you experienced the high number of males you did. So the first thing I would question is the equipment, that being Thermostat and/or Thermometer. That's not to say that it's your fault because you received inaccurate equipment, any more than its the vendors fault. These things happen. Maybe it's just my Engineering mindset kicking in. Who knows, maybe it has more to do with the Mack Snow morph than anything else? It certainly wasn't my intent to offend anyone, so Sorry if that happened.