Son of a heffer!!

[dprince]

OK, now I pride myself on being *somewhat* knowledgeable about genetics......but I'm stumped. I bred my enigma het bell to a smokin' bell hybino and got..........a normal? What? Is that possible? See, in my mind, I should only get a)bell enigmas b)enigma het bell c) bell albinos.........but is d) normal part of the equation? Must be....drat.

 

[Baysidegeckos]

Well remember you only get 50% enigmas
And a bell x het bell also gives you a 50% bells.

So you will get some odds and ends, LOL.
That sucks that you got a normal, Maybe it will hypo out for you ,LOL

I hope your next clutch from them gives you 2 Red eye hybinos for this normal you just hatched, better luck next time!

 

[cjreptiles]

OK, now I pride myself on being *somewhat* knowledgeable about genetics......but I'm stumped. I bred my enigma het bell to a smokin' bell hybino and got..........a normal? What? Is that possible? See, in my mind, I should only get a)bell enigmas b)enigma het bell c) bell albinos.........but is d) normal part of the equation?

You would expect (assuming the enigma is heterozygous, which it must be): 25% Bell enigmas, 25% enigmas het. Bell, 25% Bell albinos, 25% 'normals' (although the normals - and, for that matter, the enigmas and Bells too - may show a degree of hypomelanism and have some tangerine influence).

 

[dprince]

Thanks guys. Makes sense, but poop!!!

Very cute little normal I have, though.

 

[Baysidegeckos]

Oh Debbie no problem, but that little guy must be offended, LOL

He's thinking "Hey im not a normal, im het bell Haha!!!!"

 

[Ipsl]

Im beining to think that some of these enigmas that people have are (genetically speaking) AE that is to say its co-dom like a Snow. This is all just my opinion so far.

To kind of get to that point has any one breed an enigma to an enigma yet? I would dare predict that 25% of a straight Enigma pairing will show some "Super Enigmas" and some Normals?

 

[miamimike]

Dont feel bad Debbie...I have had 8 eggs hatch from three different females of an enigma het raptor to 100% raptors....and have gotten 5 normals and three tremper jungles( nice carrot heads and tails)...but NO enigmas yet!.....yikes!

 

[Baysidegeckos]

Im beining to think that some of these enigmas that people have are (genetically speaking) AE that is to say its co-dom like a Snow. This is all just my opinion so far.

To kind of get to that point has any one breed an enigma to an enigma yet? I would dare predict that 25% of a straight Enigma pairing will show some "Super Enigmas" and some Normals?

Some have breed enigma to enigma, but there is no Super form of the enigma.
So it is a dominat gene.

The mack snow is a CO-dominat gene which when breed together makes a super form which is the Super Snow.

 

[dprince]

Oh Debbie no problem, but that little guy must be offended, LOL

He's thinking "Hey im not a normal, im het bell Haha!!!!"

:main_laugh: Totally true!!

And he *is* very cute. I was mostly *surprised* to see him there this morning, since in my head it had turned out so differently.......LOL.

 

[dprince]

Dont feel bad Debbie...I have had 8 eggs hatch from three different females of an enigma het raptor to 100% raptors....and have gotten 5 normals and three tremper jungles( nice carrot heads and tails)...but NO enigmas yet!.....yikes!

Not that I'm at ALL happy about your odds Mike, but it does make me feel better.

See, that just means our luck will be coming. :main_thumbsup:

 

[Baysidegeckos]

Lets see a pic of the Little one Debbie!

 

[dprince]

Lets see a pic of the Little one Debbie!

I'm at work now, but I'll snap some pics tonight for you.

 

[Mel&Keith]

Some have breed enigma to enigma, but there is no Super form of the enigma.
So it is a dominat gene.

*Definitely NOT trying to start a genetics debate* but do you know were anyone has posted their personal findings from E to E breedings?


Let's see a picture of this normal Debbie!
BTW, I'm sure the odds will even out for you.

 

[dprince]

Let's see a picture of this normal Debbie!
BTW, I'm sure the odds will even out for you.

Thanks. I'm sure they will too......they always do.

I'll snap some pix tonight. Maybe his clutchmate will appear by then........*fingers crossed*

 

[Ipsl]

The mack snow is a CO-dominat gene which when breed together makes a super form which is the Super Snow.

Yes I am aware of that but than one couldn't really have a het enigma. Now in the enigma gene say EE was breed with a normal you would get all AE's not half normals and half enigmas. You'd get 100% what ever you want to call that. So than the fact that the there are normal babies to me shows either on of two things.

1. These enigmas that get breed and create normals are Enigmas is the AE sence.

2.The trait is Co Dom.

genetic dominant
adj.

Of, relating to, or characteristic of a pattern of inheritance of an autosomal trait that is expressed by a gene that always manifests itself phenotypically.

 

[cjreptiles]

I think by AE you really mean Ee (i.e. one dominant enigma allele, one non-enigma, 'normal' allele, recessive to the enigma one - why use two different letters?).

"expressed by a gene that always manifests itself phenotypically" means that both the homozygous dominant (EE) and heterozygous (Ee) forms are phenotypically identical (i.e. enigmas) which is exactly what is happening here (or seems to be). Certainly not a case of incomplete dominance.

"Now in the enigma gene say EE was breed with a normal you would get all AE's not half normals and half enigmas"
Yes...but what if you breed an "AE" (Ee) with a normal? What then? You get half normals (ee) and half enigmas (Ee .... or AE if you prefer).

Yes I am aware of that but than one couldn't really have a het enigma. Now in the enigma gene say EE was breed with a normal you would get all AE's not half normals and half enigmas. You'd get 100% what ever you want to call that. So than the fact that the there are normal babies to me shows either on of two things.

1. These enigmas that get breed and create normals are Enigmas is the AE sence.

2.The trait is Co Dom.

genetic dominant
adj.

Of, relating to, or characteristic of a pattern of inheritance of an autosomal trait that is expressed by a gene that always manifests itself phenotypically.

 

[Kotsay1414]

Here is the link to my explanation of it in the other EnigmaxEnigma thread http://geckoforums.net/showpost.php?p=155184&postcount=9

 

[Ipsl]

I think by AE you really mean Ee (i.e. one dominant enigma allele, one non-enigma, 'normal' allele, recessive to the enigma one - why use two different letters?).

"expressed by a gene that always manifests itself phenotypically" means that both the homozygous dominant (EE) and heterozygous (Ee) forms are phenotypically identical (i.e. enigmas) which is exactly what is happening here (or seems to be). Certainly not a case of incomplete dominance.

"Now in the enigma gene say EE was breed with a normal you would get all AE's not half normals and half enigmas"
Yes...but what if you breed an "AE" (Ee) with a normal? What then? You get half normals (ee) and half enigmas (Ee .... or AE if you prefer).

Yup were on the same page. My letters choices are related to how I would be able to tranfer it into a punnent square system. I mearly use A's to show a Non-x trait when dealing with any morph. Be it Snow SA (Super snow being SS) or what ever. Eg a blizzard bb AA and an enigma AA EE as to create unfied code for an excel program.

 

[cjreptiles]

Here is the link to my explanation of it in the other EnigmaxEnigma thread http://geckoforums.net/showpost.php?p=155184&postcount=9

Perfect :main_thumbsup:

 

[PacHerp]

oh Debbie... man... thats kinda a bummer.

but hey, I'm sure his little clutch mate will make up for it. haha. Let us know!