SS raptor project

[tstodard]

Not to come off as rude, but you said that you had proven SS raptors and they are solid white. Then you said that your babies are solid white with a faint pattern. THEN you said you will take the time to post pics.

You took the time to bash my leos, why can't you take the time to post a few pics?

My female hatched the exact same way, solid white with red eyes, look at my pics, that's what you will have in a year

 

[ooglar]

http://www.leopardgecko.com/superraptor.html not taking any sides but this states that a super raptor is only a super raptor if it dosnt develope any pattern..those are the words of ron tremper...i take rons side over any of yours anyday lol

 

[tstodard]

If you look very closely at the "SUPER RAPTOR # 001 - Male - 48 grams - 1 year old" pic you can see a very faint super snow pattern on it. Its not 100% pure white

 

[snared99]

http://www.leopardgecko.com/superraptor.html not taking any sides but this states that a super raptor is only a super raptor if it dosnt develope any pattern..those are the words of ron tremper...i take rons side over any of yours anyday lol

If you read the last update on there you will see that gecko Did not prove to be a SS raptor, thus we can not say ssraptors are all white. The only true proven SSraptor that i know of is in the hands of A and M gecko and i saw it in person, and it is identical to a SStremper.

 

[Dreamgeckos.com]

Not to start anything but...

If there is no picture, there is no gecko.

The link is not working for me.

what does it say when you goto www.dreamgeckos.com ?? it should work fine ..

 

[Dreamgeckos.com]

have fun , hatchling of msr x msr

 

[Dreamgeckos.com]

Not to come off as rude, but you said that you had proven SS raptors and they are solid white. Then you said that your babies are solid white with a faint pattern. THEN you said you will take the time to post pics.

You took the time to bash my leos, why can't you take the time to post a few pics?

My female hatched the exact same way, solid white with red eyes, look at my pics, that's what you will have in a year

i didnt bash your leo's i was trying to protect you but have it your way.
dont come crying if it aint a SSraptor.

 

[tstodard]

i didnt bash your leo's i was trying to protect you but have it your way.
dont come crying if it aint a SSraptor.

Sorry if I took it the wrong way, thanks for looking out :main_thumbsup:

 

[snared99]

have fun , hatchling of msr x msr

That is a nice gecko, but in no way does that pic say that is a ssraptor, how big is that 8 grams?? Albinos dont get spots til like 13-15 grams so i would wait a bit til calling that gecko.

 

[paulnj]

Pat, All 13 SS tremper I hatched in what.. 07? didn't get patterns until maybe 22-28 grams and some you couldn't see with the naked eye until nearly 35 grams. I do understand where Richard is coming from MSR X MSR is a proven SSR at birth, but only if he is positive of the cross. They will indeed get a pattern as they age.....

My SSR has a pattern, as do the handful of other bred and proven SSR

back to the OP...

Great animals and project. Best of luck with them!

 

[tstodard]

I was able to get this pic of her as a hatchling.....

Looks legit to me so far....will know for sure this season

 

[Gazz]

Talbino eclipse super snow always have patterning.Just on a (Light)Talbino eclipse super snow patterning is very pale pink/darker pink and can be hard to see.On a (Dark)Talbino eclipse super snow patterning is pale brown/darker brown and very easy to see.With Super snow solid eye over ranking Eclipse influance it's hard to say a Talbino super snow is expressing Eclipse by sight alone.However you do get a clue not bullert proof but makes the odds better or a leo being more likly of being so.Is if it's expressing a white washed nose.Can be hard to see on the (Light)Talbino eclipse super snow though.The 100% way is ofcourse to prove leo's out.And have a Talbino eclipse super snow or a Talbino eclipse super snow and eclipse super snow group then all they give will be 100% no question Talbino eclipse super snow offspring or Eclipse super snow HET Talbino offspring.

A dominant hypo dose nothing to the apperance of a super snow.So IMO there no logical reason to assume that patternless-striped would affect super snow apperance.The only two traits that take super snow patterning is Blizzard and Patternless.

 

[tstodard]

I have no idea what you just said, but RIGHT ON!

 

[T - Dragons]

all that i have hatched ( 3 proven 1 unproven ) are solid white with red eyes.
ofc it can be that that is a Super Raptor with a Pattern but unless we know what it came from ( mom and dad ) its hard to call it a super raptor , i do not call anny of my ( probebly SSR ) SSR until i have them proven out same goes for MSSPTA and MSSTA since some MSSTA just dont have anny pattern or its so hard to see that one might mis the pattern.

Yes thorsten it could be a SSR but i would like to know the parrents of it , see the reason i ask this is because allot of ppl can sell a "Super Raptor" and then later the buyer finds out that it is not a SSR at al but a Nice MSSTA or a MSSPTA since all of them have solid red eyes.

i hope it is a super raptor but if not you better vind out now then waste time and monney.

Greetz
Richard

Did you breed those 4 yourself ? And there aren't proven ones, because you are postive of the cross, doesn't mean they are proven, to prove them out, you have to have bred them, then they are proven, until then, they aren't..
If they turn out to be males, once they mature, you breed them to some Raptor females, if you get 100% Snow Raptors, then you have a proven SSR, not until then.

 

[BSM]

This been an interesting post lol

As for the original poster great pics of your geckos and hopefully that male is a ss raptor. I'm actually doing the same project but with alot less leos in it so you will hit a super snow raptor before me even if he does/doesn't prove out.
im only working with for this project a male super snow eclipse het albino and a female snake eyed snow raptor.


congrats and good luck

Bryan

 

[Venom1]

Dream Geckos -

You stated that you had 3 proven Super Raptors and 1 possible. I want to see the adult pictures of atleast one of the proven ones, and your results on how you proved them out. Is that to much to ask?

 

[paulnj]

Venom and the rest calling Rich out. when you breed two ms raptors(mack eclipse het trempers or a combo of both for that matter) together and hatch a SS tremper, you are looking at a SS raptor in the cooker No need to breed it to prove that, so give it a rest

 

[Venom1]

Raptor x Raptor can still give you a Tremper Albino. So technically, you still can be looking at a Super Snow Tremper Albino het Eclipse from a Mack Raptor x Mack Raptor pairing. There is no way that you can label it as a Super Raptor without test breeding it first and proving it to have the Eclipse gene. :main_thumbsup:

 

[DarthGekko]

Raptor x Raptor can still give you a Tremper Albino. So technically, you still can be looking at a Super Snow Tremper Albino het Eclipse from a Mack Raptor x Mack Raptor pairing. There is no way that you can label it as a Super Raptor without test breeding it first and proving it to have the Eclipse gene. :main_thumbsup:

A Raptor x Raptor can only give you a Raptor....... whether the eyes have 1% or 100% Ruby eyes in the offspring it's still a Raptor.

 

[LG-Geckos]

Sorry, but Super Raptors can have patterning on them as well. They usually hatch out pure white and develop the 'super' patterning as they age.

Anyways, nice animals.

Right now I have 3 proven Super Raptors, and the males strated to get Pattern with 15-20g and the females with 7-10g.