starting to get gemetics and morphs BUT????

[gecko breeder]

what can happen if i breed a male Enigma het Tremper
66% het Raptor, to its off spring, so lets say i breed him to a normal and then breed him again to the offspring, what can i get

but first tell me what ill get breeding him to the normal first and then tell me what id get breeding him to the offspring

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Assuming that the male is het for eclipse you will get any of the following:

Normal
Normal HET Eclipse
Normal HET Tremper Albino
Normal HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
EnigmaEnigma HET Eclipse
Enigma HET Tremper Albino
Enigma HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
Basically normals and enigmas with varying hets of Tremper and/or Eclipse

Obviously if it is not het for Eclipse than remove anything that says eclipse in it. As far as to what you will get from breeding it back to his babies....that you wont know unless you know which of the above listed genetics that baby is.

In stead of trying to learn genetic pairings and breeding outcomes, you need to focus on learning the genetics and their inheritance (recessive, co-dom, dom, polgenetic and so on). Once you know how each gene is passed on you will understand what you can create with the genetics at hand.

 

[Taquiq]

If the Enigma is het RAPTOR...
Enigma het Tremper 66% het RAPTOR x Normal=
1/8 Enigma het RAPTOR
1/8 Enigma het Albino
1/8 Enigma het Eclipse
1/8 Enigma
1/8 Normal het RAPTOR
1/8 Normal het Albino
1/8 Normal het Eclipse
1/8 Normal

If the Enigma isn't het Eclipse...
Enigma het Tremper x Normal
1/4 Enigma het Tremper
1/4 Enigma
1/4 Normal
1/4 Normal het Tremper

OFFSPRING

You could get a variety of morphs. 50% of them will be Enigma, if you breed 2 het RAPTORs you could get Novas.

EDIT: Travis beat me to it. :main_angry:

 

[JordanAng420]

Assuming that the male is het for eclipse you will get any of the following:

Normal
Normal HET Eclipse
Normal HET Tremper Albino
Normal HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
EnigmaEnigma HET Eclipse
Enigma HET Tremper Albino
Enigma HET Tremper Albino, Eclipse
Basically normals and enigmas with varying hets of Tremper and/or Eclipse

Obviously if it is not het for Eclipse than remove anything that says eclipse in it. As far as to what you will get from breeding it back to his babies....that you wont know unless you know which of the above listed genetics that baby is.

In stead of trying to learn genetic pairings and breeding outcomes, you need to focus on learning the genetics and their inheritance (recessive, co-dom, dom, polgenetic and so on). Once you know how each gene is passed on you will understand what you can create with the genetics at hand.

Well said Travis, as usual!

 

[gecko breeder]

well if its het for raptor then it is deffinatly het eclips because the raptors have to have eclips in it so yess it is, so then if i breed him to the offspings i can get novas wow, and the thing is how can i tell wich offsping has the hets i want it to have, or i wont know till i breed them

 

[JordanAng420]

That's what he was trying to tell you. You won't know the hets until you breed them. If you're just beginning with genetics and breeding, I would suggest a simpler project than this one.

 

[gecko breeder]

i realy like this project due to the fact that there are so many outcomes, so im sticken with this cuz it will healp me learn alot but thank you guys very much extreamly thank full, im sure i will ask more questions lol, but im gettin there i swear

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

You will not know what the hets are in any of the babies. All a game of luck. If you want to keep you investment low but have much better odds use a normal het Raptor.

Yes you could potentially make Novas but I strongly suggest you understand the genetics and the percetile of you actually catching those odds should you choose babies that are indeed het for both. So many people get caught up with the dream/chance of creating something "nice" that they forget about the other 20 babies they will have trying to produce it. Normals and Enigmas het raptors are not going to be easy to sell no matter how low the price...simply because they are more than abundant.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

This may help with some of your issues (understanding genetics):
http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/index.php?title=Category:Morphs

Asking outcome questions is fine...however, it gets a little old when every clutch hatches and that same person needs to know "what is it". I by no means am implying that that will be/is you, I am simply stating that understanding the genetics is VERY important when trying to produce unique geckos

 

[gecko breeder]

iv been reading that alot trust me im up for the challenge, im getting it trust me and the more questions i ask and the more answers i get its healping me im good but thank you very much ill keep every one posted on my projects when i get it started thanks

 

[paulh]

This may help with some of your issues (understanding genetics):
http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/index.php?title=Category:Morphs

Asking outcome questions is fine...however, it gets a little old when every clutch hatches and that same person needs to know "what is it". I by no means am implying that that will be/is you, I am simply stating that understanding the genetics is VERY important when trying to produce unique geckos

I've looked at the leopardgecko wiki. IMO, it is very helpful once one knows the principles of genetics. I've just never found the principles there. And most of the herper web sites that I've seen are riddled with misinformation.

For best results learning the principles, try one or more of these books:
Pritzel -- Genetics for herpers
Elrod & Stansfield -- Schaum's introduction to genetics
Miller -- A survey of genetics (free download in four parts from http://www.ringneckdove.com)

Hardcopies of the first two cost less than $15 USA.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

There are a couple morph calculator stickies at the top of this section also.