I'm glad this thread is here. Now I can make a few additional notes on some of my "kids". A couple weeks ago we found out a guy local was getting rid of all his snakes and geckos. A few hundred bucks, a pile of snakes and 8 leos later.... its been fun.. lol. I got the notecards he had but only some were labeled Trempers and none of the hets were listed. Those eyeshots are great!!! Thanks again.