SUNGLOW X HYBINO

[porkchopp75]

If i cross a t. sunglow to a t. hybino is the offspring considered a sunglow or a t. albino. Thanks in advance for anyones help. Bryan

 

[Halley]

They are similar names for the same thing. Sort of like Rainwater and Las Vegas albino

 

[Paco]

In thought Hybino's were Bell Line

Sunglow and Hyglo(Coined by A&M) were Tremper Line.

They are all just names used to describe SHTCTB Albino's.

 

[thegeckoguy]

im pretty sure that hybino is refered to duller sunglows, like a yellow-ish colored one, whereas a sunglow is more vibrant and more orange-er. But both are the same so youd get sunglows/hybinos, whatever you want to call them.

 

[The Sunset Gang]

There are both the Tremper and Bell Hybinos. A hybino is just a hypo albino. In my eyes....a sunglow is a solid yellow-orangish gecko. Hybino may or may not be fully "colored" in.

 

[godzillizard]

There are Tremper, Bell and LV line "sunglows" but it'd be slightly more accurate to call them Hypo albinos/albino hypos, since we have sooo many different lines available these days... You don't need to call them hypotangs, because the hypo and tang traits are both controlled by the same genes--it's redundant. But technically speaking, they are: amelanistic hypos, but thats a whole other can-o-worms

 

[Gregg M]

You don't need to call them hypotangs, because the hypo and tang traits are both controlled by the same genes--it's redundant.

I would not be spilling that out there as fact...

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I agree. You can have Hypos that are not Tang and Tangs that are not Hypo. I`m not sure where that idea comes from, but Hypos and Tangs are very different. One is a "linebred" trait, the other is a dominant genetic morph. Certain lines of Hypos anyways, as there are some that can be considered linebred.

If I breed a Tang to just about anything else, I will not get "real" Tangs. You pretty much need two Tangs to make "good/better" ones. If I breed a Super Hypo to just about anything else, I will get Hypos/Super Hypos and normals. They would look the same if they had two SH parents, or only one.

 

[godzillizard]

Thanks guys--So tang is poly and hypo is generally dom? From what i've gathered, tangerines not only have code for more tang pigments, but the same code also reduces the amount of spotting?

 

[Paco]

Thanks guys--So tang is poly and hypo is generally dom? From what i've gathered, tangerines not only have code for more tang pigments, but the same code also reduces the amount of spotting?

Brian... Here is where there are going to be Issue's. Hypo's in the Boa world are a Co-dom Trait. Hypo's or Ghost in Ball python's is a recessive trait. Which can be very confusing. Which definition are we using of Hypo as far as Leo's are concerned?

 

[porkchopp75]

Thanks everyone, as always yall have been very helpful.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Thanks guys--So tang is poly and hypo is generally dom? From what i've gathered, tangerines not only have code for more tang pigments, but the same code also reduces the amount of spotting?

Brian, that is right, but there are some linebred Hypos. I do not think Tangerines are directly tied in to Super Hypos in that way, since they seem to be two different types of traits.

Paco, I believe Hypo is meant as hypo-melanistic, or "lacking melanin". I see what you mean, about the different animals having different modes of inheritance for certain traits. I guess I never thought they "had to" be the same across the board with the different species.

Bryan, no problem. Here is my answer to your question BTW. You get SunBinoHyGlows! :main_laugh:

...And just so everyone has the facts. Hybinos/Sunglows ARE(as mentioned) two different names for pretty much the same thing. Ray Hine introduced the first "Super Hypo Carrottails" and then the Tremper "Hybinos". Kelli Hammack named her Bell version a Hybino also. So it is not name-specific to either type of Albino. Craig Stewart however named his Tremper version(with added Tangerine and Carrottail) the Sunglow.

So the real difference between a Tremper Hybino, and a Tremper Sunglow WAS the color(was also mentioned). Sunglows tended to have more Tangerine and Carrottail influence, but of course some "Hybino" lines have probably caught up to them. Most "Super Hypos" have some Ray Hines line in them, but a lot of people have crossed them to different Tang/Hypo Tang lines to improve the color, and get some of the REALLY nice ones we see today. The "Ghosts" also came from the Ray Hines line, only they have the washed out appearance.

So it really just depends on someones taste, where their geckos came from, and what the breeder called his/her version.

 

[Paco]

Dan I don't think traits have to be the same across species, It would just make things a lot eaiser. You can see where all the confusion could come in. Especially if you work with multiple reptile species which have many morph combos( which I am sure would not take long to figure out). Or are new to the game and are looking at different species to further your knowledge.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I guess it would make it easier.

 

[eric]

Bryan I agree 100% with Dan's definition. Very well put, Dan.