Okay I have been reading this on other thread. And it just stuns me. The threads say when you mix a mack with any of the other snow lines, you can get a super. What? My guess is yes, it does happen, but how in the world does it do it? If you mix an Albey x Mack you get a Super Snow 6% of the time. I know you can also get it with the Gem Snow. I don’t know about the urban snow, as much. But here is what I’m wondering is if you breed a mack to a gecko that doesn’t have the mack trait, how in the world can you get a homozygous mack, when at best only ONE of the parents carries the gene, and in the heterozygous form. Can somebody PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE explain this to me? This is really starting to drive me crazy, at this point.
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It makes us wonder about the origins of the Mack Co-dom...
That is how this question popped in my head.
Do you think that there is some common ancestry link between all the snows, and that they all just evolved a little bit differently? Either when they where still in the wild, or because of breeding in captivity?
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My best guess is some how they are all related. I have a feeling the Mack Snow's have some other trait that we cannot visually see and the other three types do not have it, but they have everything else needed. Therefore unlocking the Super Snow when bred to a Mack Snow 
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That doesn't explain why the other 3 lines hatch out white and black with no yellow.420Geckos said:*cough*Mack Pastel*cough*
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Considering that the mack can throw solid eyes when not combined as a ss, I think it does carry some genes we can't see.
Mike, you think it's poss that some mack pastels were sold as normals and eventually out popped a "new" snow hence becoming the others?
As for being whiter, could be some were linebred whiter until it eventually became sort of a stuck thing. If you bred a tug or gem to a less white one though, I think like any linebred trait it wouldn't be as white then. Just a theory. I'd like to see the macks stay more white, have seen a few out there that almost look like a linebred as adults, but not many.
Mike, you think it's poss that some mack pastels were sold as normals and eventually out popped a "new" snow hence becoming the others?
As for being whiter, could be some were linebred whiter until it eventually became sort of a stuck thing. If you bred a tug or gem to a less white one though, I think like any linebred trait it wouldn't be as white then. Just a theory. I'd like to see the macks stay more white, have seen a few out there that almost look like a linebred as adults, but not many.
Okay well now I have another question. I know if you breed a mack to a line breed you get 6% Super Snow. What happens if you breed a super snow to a line breed, I would assume you would get some SS, from that deal to, do you? Also once you get the super snow from the MS x LBS does it act like a Mack x Mack. Meaning if I outcross the super snow to a tremper in hopes of a super snow tremper albino in a few years, would the mack snow (with line breed snow in it) still combine in a 25% ratio (if I breed the offspring back together), or would it act different because of the line breed snow?
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Kotsay1414 said:My best guess is some how they are all related. I have a feeling the Mack Snow's have some other trait that we cannot visually see and the other three types do not have it, but they have everything else needed. Therefore unlocking the Super Snow when bred to a Mack Snow
This is how we've looked at things as well
Nicholas, keep in mind that the part about it happening 6 percent of the time with LBS X MS is just "what I have heard." So far, it has happened 12.5% of the time, but we do expect the percentage to drop as the female lays more eggs next year.
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Halley said:
We will be able to answer all of these questions as we do the pairings. I am not sure if many others have done this because not much seems to be known.
boutiquegecko said:
Very very true.
The Pastel trait is definitely an interesting one as well
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Nick, where did the 6% come from?
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I'm being lazy right now, but do you have the link?Halley said:
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http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=22554Kotsay1414 said:
There is only one other person that has done this pairing that I know of, which is Albey, and I heard his results were 6 percent SS
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Only guessing since I haven't started this project yet, but Nick if you used a ss from a linebred x mack and bred that to a tremper, I would think it would behave as a mack ss gene, since it's already a ss. Does that make sense? The only catch about the non ss offspring is at what point are they no longer lb and are macks? Or since being bred to a mack, does the gene sort of takes over and they all are mack, but with linebred influence of more white? I'd have to read a bit more about incompete dominant for how that works.
Has anyone crossed a lb x tug or gem and gotten a ss?
Has anyone crossed a lb x tug or gem and gotten a ss?
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Here's the way crossing a Mack snow to a line bred snow could work. The effects of the Mack snow mutant gets added to the effects of the genes producing the line bred snow to make a lizard that looks like a super without having two MS mutant genes. Breeding one of these to a normal would produce babies with a MS mutant gene and babies without a MS mutant gene. All the babies could show some influence from the LBS side of the family. That's my guess; breeding is required to see if it's wrong.boutiquegecko said:
Modifier genes do not affect the appearance of normal animals. They do affect the appearance when combined with a given mutant gene. The solid eyes could be the effect of a modifier mutant gene that only shows up when in a gecko with a single MS mutant gene. If so, it should be fixable with line breeding.
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