Tangelo

[Azazel]

How does one make a tangelo? Would tangerine+albino suffice? Or is there something else in the ingredients?

Thanks in advance for any info.

 

[supperl]

here you can see what the maker tells us abotu the morph:
http://leopardgecko.com/albinos.html

 

[Lacedolphin]

wow, now those are very pretty. I may have to get one of those some day.

 

[nicks]

I have been working with a group of tangelo's for several years and the tangerine is not co-dominant, it is a recessive trait. Tangelos can only be produced by tangelos or geckos with the recessive tangerine trait. They do vary a lot in how much the color fills in, males tend to be better and develop color quicker.

Nick
http://www.eereptiles.com

 

[Nigel4less]

I have been working with a group of tangelo's for several years and the tangerine is not co-dominant, it is a recessive trait. Tangelos can only be produced by tangelos or geckos with the recessive tangerine trait. They do vary a lot in how much the color fills in, males tend to be better and develop color quicker.

Nick
http://www.eereptiles.com

And do you have any evidence to back up this theory? I find it interesting that you claim that it is Recessive. They look just like Tangerine Albinos, just like Emerines, Abyssinians and just about everything else, You-know-who has produced in the last couple of years.

 

[nicks]

And do you have any evidence to back up this theory? I find it interesting that you claim that it is Recessive. They look just like Tangerine Albinos, just like Emerines, Abyssinians and just about everything else, You-know-who has produced in the last couple of years.

Actually I have done a lot of work with them, produced 400+ babies over the last few years to prove it. You-know-who hadn't done all of the work with them when he released them but I have. If you breed a tangelo to an albino you don't get more tangelos, but if you breed a tangelo to the albino het tangs you get more tangelos. You put a tangelo next to a sunglow or SHTCT the difference is noticeable.

Nick
http://www.eereptiles.com

 

[malt_geckos]

We have a pair of Tangelos from Mike R. Very nice animals, not the easiet to find however.

 

[Gregg M]

I have been working with a group of tangelo's for several years and the tangerine is not co-dominant, it is a recessive trait.

Nick

What a rediculous claim... Sorry there Nick, but there is no recessive tangerine gene... How long have you been working with your group??? Just trying to figure out how 3 females produced over 400 neonates for you in a "few years"... I mean, even if those are holdbacks, one would think, out of 400+ hatchlings, you would have produced something much nicer than what you have on your page...
Also, why are you not selling any "het for tangelos"???

Just trying to figure this out...:main_thumbsup:

 

[nicks]

What a rediculous claim... Sorry there Nick, but there is no recessive tangerine gene... How long have you been working with your group??? Just trying to figure out how 3 females produced over 400 neonates for you in a "few years"... I mean, even if those are holdbacks, one would think, out of 400+ hatchlings, you would have produced something much nicer than what you have on your page...
Also, why are you not selling any "het for tangelos"???

Just trying to figure this out...:main_thumbsup:

Sorry Gregg, I didn't know everything I produced from this project needed to be approved by members here. I guess you know more about what I have been doing than I do. Why are some people so quick to assume they know more than the person doing the work? I spent the better part of a semester studying genetics in a zoology course at Colorado State so I have done the book work as well.

Most people working on something new don't sell animals as hets until they have proven them so there are a bunch of animals out there that are hets but not sold as such! I bred my giant tangelo into several different projects several years ago and have bred those F1 and F2, last year I had 28 females from various tangelo projects breeding.

It is funny you mention the quality of my animals, until you have been here and taken a look for yourself you probably shouln't say anything. Everyone that has bought a tangelo from me has said they are nicer than any SHTCT or sunglow they have seen.

Nick
http://www.eereptiles.com

 

[daniellebluetoo]

WTH?

I am seeing WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much catty-ness, condescension, and holier than tho crap on this forum lately.

For those invloved in this GROW UP!......I think every one knows that opinions are like belly buttons, every ones got one!

For those not.........

I LOVE the tangelos....... can some one PLEASE tell me how they differ genetically from a sunglow, or an albino tang, or a hygo, or a hybino??????

Nick, NICE animals! Paul had one up here a little while back, but I forget what it was technically called, stunning animal none the less!

And personally, I would like to see LESS quoting of RT's webpage, ESPECIALLY since i"ve never seen "you know who" here to discuss ANY OF IT....... Just saying, and YES thats MY opinion!

 

[Halley]

How does one make a tangelo? Would tangerine+albino suffice? Or is there something else in the ingredients?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Here’s my “belly button”. I don’t think the tangelo is any different than a Sunglow. I know on the link provided earlier, that RT says that he developed this tang line independently of all the others.

I just find it interesting how he has been line-breeding this morph for the last 5 years, and had it just suddenly mutate into a co-dominate morph!

 

[Gregg M]

Sorry Gregg, I didn't know everything I produced from this project needed to be approved by members here. I guess you know more about what I have been doing than I do. Why are some people so quick to assume they know more than the person doing the work? I spent the better part of a semester studying genetics in a zoology course at Colorado State so I have done the book work as we

A bit defensive, arent we... Yeah ummm, there is no recessive tangerine gene... I dont care where or what you studied for part of a semester at CS...
What does that have to do with a non-existant gene you claim to have???

Most people working on something new don't sell animals as hets until they have proven them so there are a bunch of animals out there that are hets but not sold as such! I bred my giant tangelo into several different projects several years ago and have bred those F1 and F2, last year I had 28 females from various tangelo projects breeding.

Exactly, you have not proven the tangerine to be recessive nor will you ever do so for the simple fact the tangerine color IS NOT RECESSIVE!!! If you did the work you said you did, I would think we would be seeing some Tangelo blizzards... I mean it should not be hard to work a recessive tangerine gene into ANY leo project being that it is a recessive morph, right??? Ok so lets see some proof... How about two drab looking animals that are "het for tangelo" producing a really brightly colored tangerine??? Got anything to back up your claim??? Yeah, didnt think so... You would think if someone is working on such a ground breaking project they would show a heck of a lot more of the project animals and not just a few drab looking females...

It is funny you mention the quality of my animals, until you have been here and taken a look for yourself you probably shouln't say anything. Everyone that has bought a tangelo from me has said they are nicer than any SHTCT or sunglow they have seen.

Nick

Well I can say whatever I like... From what I have seen, the animals are nice but not what you would expect from "years of working on the project"... Anyone who says that tangelos are nicer than ANY sunglow or SHTCT might not have seen too many leos... LOL... Anyway, its all a matter of opinion as far as what is more beautiful... The facts are that the tangerine gene is not recessive and you have not proven or shown any proof that it works in that way... All you have is a website with a few animals from a project that was supposedly numbered in the hundreds...

Sorry Nick... I am not sure how you could make a claim like this without proof and expect not to be called out on it...:main_rolleyes:

 

[nicks]

Well I hadn't planned on this turning into a pissing contest! I really don't care what you think. I have done the work I know what they are and you are entitled to be wrong!

You don't know what I have, only a few are on my site. For you to say that there should be a tang blizzard now as proof is stupid, how do we know there can be? You might have blizzards carry the genes but not express them just like you can have a hypo super snow that is phenotypically the same as a non hypo super snow.

That is funny, most people working to prove something show very little until they have produced what they are working toward. I had planned on showing a bunch of the project animals this spring after their colors had developed.

Have you called Ron out on this as well, since it started there?

Nick
http://www.eereptiles.com

 

[Gregg M]

Ron does what he does... He has his own site to say whatever he wants... You come to a public forum and claim that a non-recessive gene is a recessive one... Again, with nothing more than your word and pictures of tremper leos... Sorry Nick, that just does not cut it... So you know RTs animals genetic better than he does??? Awesome!!! It is not a pissing match... It is questioning false info and trying to get to the bottom of what you are claiming... So really, what do you have to back up your claim??? Anything besides the fact that you breed a tangelo to a non-tangelo, you did not get tangelos???
And besides, it does not take a few years to prove out a recessive gene... 2 seasons max!!! Proving a gene is recessive is pretty cut and dry... Nothing really to "work towards"...

Ok, Um, I bred my super hypo tang carrot tail to a non super hypo tang carrot tail... Guess what??? I did not get any super hypo tangs... Check this out though... I bred one of those non SHTCT babies to a SHTCT and got some SHTCTs... Go figure... SHT must be a recessive gene, right??? That non-SHTCT baby that I raised and bred back to a SHTCT must have been Het for SHTCT... Thats it everyone, SHTCTs are recessive... Why??? Because I said so... Thats why... All of you who doubt me, you are entitled to be wrong... LOL

Nick I used the blizzard morph as an example... It could have been any of the co-dom/dominant/recessive morphs out there..

So Nick, where is the proof???

 

[Gregg M]

Wait, you are selling animals on your site as "het for line bred tangerine"... LOL... What a joke...

 

[nicks]

Guess what then you probably didn't have a super hypo carrot-tail or you produced low quality offspring that were not distinguishable from normals. That is the way it works sometimes but you may not understand the difference between phenotype and genotype. You can't breed a super (homozygous form of an incomplete dominant trait and not get heterozygous offspring) then again you have already said that my education in this area doesn't matter!

I proved it out a year ago but have been working putting it into several other projects. Do you know the odds of producing an animal carrying three recessives from triple hets. Not everything comes out like it should, talk to the people that have put so much work into the bell blazing blizzard project.

BTW I don't have any animals for sale listed as het for line bred tangerine. I have SHTCT het for albino at least get that right.

Nick
http://www.eereptiles.com

 

[thestack510]

I have a Tangelo Enigma and it does look pretty distinct to me, in relation to the Tangs of other varieties that I have. (I don't mean because it's an Enigma). You can tell the difference between varieties of Tangs if you have seen enough of them I guess. I have Emerines, a Tangelo, a Tangerine Tornado, some Bell Tangs, and some crosses... they look to me to have there own characteristics (with the crosses showing traits from both sides), however subtle some of the differences may be.

 

[Gregg M]

Guess what then you probably didn't have a super hypo carrot-tail or you produced low quality offspring that were not distinguishable from normals.

So now you are telling me what I bred to what and what I produced??? LOL

That is the way it works sometimes but you may not understand the difference between phenotype and genotype. You can't breed a super (homozygous form of an incomplete dominant trait and not get heterozygous offspring) then again you have already said that my education in this area doesn't matter!

No need for the genetics lesson... I know full well how leopard genetics work and what they do when combined... Your education was never in question Nick... The fact that you tried to use it as an ace to try and make a line bred trait into a recessive gene is what was in question...

I proved it out a year ago but have been working putting it into several other projects. Do you know the odds of producing an animal carrying three recessives from triple hets. Not everything comes out like it should, talk to the people that have put so much work into the bell blazing blizzard project.

You have not proved anything other than the tangerine coloration is carried down... This does not make it recessive...What does 3 recessive genes have to do with proving out one gene??? Besides that, a bell bazing bilizzard only involves 2 recessive genes... Not sure where you are going with that... I also do not need to tak to anyone about mixing recessive genes... I produced LV blazing blizzards from scratch...

BTW I don't have any animals for sale listed as het for line bred tangerine. I have SHTCT het for albino at least get that right.

http://www.eereptiles.com/lyndsay's geckos.htm

Look at Group C, D, and G... You are going to tell me that it does not say "Albino het Tangerine and Blizzard x Albino het Tangerine and Blizzard" "Albino het Tangerine and blizzard x Normal het Tangerine, Albino, and Blizzard" ".Albino het Tangerine and Patternless x Albino het Tangerine and Patternless".. I cut and pasted directly from your site Nick... The animals pictured are Tremper albinos... Tell me I am seeing things...

There is no such thing as a het for tangerine... Why??? Because it is a line/selectively bred color trait, not a recessive one...

WHAT A JOKE!!!

 

[Hacksaw]

Again, with nothing more than your word and pictures of tremper leos... Sorry Nick, that just does not cut it...

even if nick is wrong, atleast he has info to back up what he claims. just because you say something, doesnt mean it is automatically true. why dont you breed tangelos and then tell us your results. before you do that, you have no right to speak on nicks results. i think i just read this quote somewhere gregg, but with nothing more than YOUR word, it doesnt cut it.

lighten up

 

[Gregg M]

even if nick is wrong, atleast he has info to back up what he claims. just because you say something, doesnt mean it is automatically true. why dont you breed tangelos and then tell us your results. before you do that, you have no right to speak on nicks results. i think i just read this quote somewhere gregg, but with nothing more than YOUR word, it doesnt cut it.

lighten up

Hey hack,
I never claimed anything... What I am saying is already 100% proven to be by generations of CBB leopard geckos... Not sure why you are injecting yourself in this... I dont think I have asked for anything out of the ordinary... If someone says that have proven something as a recessive morph, there should be proof of that... So Hack, its not just my word at play here...

Why should I lighten up when someone is making false claims???