Tangelo

[nicks]

Do your homework! You can't breed a homozygous form of an incomplete dominant trait to a normal and not get heterozygous animals. But you don't need a genetics lesson, sure.

Take a look again Gregg where in the info from my site do I have any animals from those three groups for sale? That's right I don't!

So because you say there can't be a genetic tangerine trait that makes it so? No really Gregg is the earth still flat.

Nick
http://www.eereptiles.com

 

[Hacksaw]

Why should I lighten up when someone is making false claims???

i dont think he is necessarily making false claims, gregg. I htink he is just saying what his test breedings show, im not saying whether you are right or wrong nick, but IMO, i think that the tangelo is co dom.

the reason i say lighten up is because he has at the very least a few test breedings to suggest that they might be recessive. he isnt just saying "TANGELO --- NOW RECESSIVE!"...and then leaving it at that.

i see where your coming from Gregg, but yeah, lighten up. lol.

in trempers words....

It is possible that this color process is a co-dominant trait. My initial test breedings suggest that finding, but more needs to be learned.

 

[Gregg M]

Ok Nick, you are right... The tangerine color in leopard geckos is 100% recessive... So are carrotails and bold stripes and reverse stripes and wait, ummm, hypos are recessive too...

Ok the groups are not up for sale but you have animals listed as being het for something that is not a recessive gene... You can not be het for a polygenic inheritance..

Your claim and your findings are 100% unfounded and false...

I do not need a genetics lesson but apparently YOU need a lesson in leopard gecko morphs...

 

[Nigel4less]

i dont think he is necessarily making false claims, gregg. I htink he is just saying what his test breedings show, im not saying whether you are right or wrong nick, but IMO, i think that the tangelo is co dom.

the reason i say lighten up is because he has at the very least a few test breedings to suggest that they might be recessive. he isnt just saying "TANGELO --- NOW RECESSIVE!"...and then leaving it at that.

i see where your coming from Gregg, but yeah, lighten up. lol.

in trempers words....

Just like how Emerines are Recessive and Abyssinians are any different from Eclipses....? :main_robin:

 

[Gregg M]

I htink he is just saying what his test breedings show, im not saying whether you are right or wrong nick, but IMO, i think that the tangelo is co dom.

Hack, I would agree with that before recessive... But I still dont know how someone can say the tagerine color is recessive... Especially with this as his proof... And I quote from Nicks site...

"*Note: It appears the tangerine trait that we have is a recessive trait since none of the babies had the tangerine color of the sire."

Now this could not have anything to do with a polygenic trait being outcrossed into other blood lines, could it??? LOL

Dude, I dont want to crush your dreams or goals but you did not stumble upon anything new...

 

[goReptiles]

How does one make a tangelo? Would tangerine+albino suffice? Or is there something else in the ingredients?

Thanks in advance for any info.

I'm thought that the tangelo was R.T's name for sunglows so that one knows where that line originated. Like the certain lines of tang that have been breed generations after generations to get the bright, near neon orange color that they have.

In order to get sunglows you need an albino and a tang, breed that back to another albino, and you may or may not get a sunglow. It's easier to start with a sunglow, in my opinion though.

I could be wrong, but that's just my understanding. Same with tangerines not being recessive. That's actually a new one for me... *shrugs*

Nick, if you breed an "albino het tangerine" to an "albino het tangerine", would you get tangerines? or albinos? From everything I've ever read, you would get albinos from breeding an albino to an albino. But, I've never heard of tangerine being recessive, either. But, from your theory, you would get tangerines.

 

[eric]

W0W! at it again. Not cool :main_no: Greg.

"Kind words can be short and easy to speak, but their echoes are
truly endless."
Mother Teresa

 

[Gregg M]

W0W! at it again. Not cool :main_no: Greg.

"Kind words can be short and easy to speak, but their echoes are
truly endless."
Mother Teresa

Whats not cool Eric, me telling it how it is or someone claiming to have a new recessive tangerine gene in their collection???

In either case, if you do not have anything to add to the thread, how about not saying anything??? And spell my name right...:main_thumbsup:

 

[eric]

"It is a kingly act to assist the fallen."
Mother Teresa

 

[eric]

I am jumping in here GREGG :main_rolleyes: Because a simple PM would be a more appropriate way of handling this situation, instead of crucifying him publicly! :main_no:

"One of the greatest diseases is to be nobody to anybody."
Mother Teresa

 

[malt_geckos]

Well this is what I'll add...

IMO tangelos (which is a combination morph) can act together as a recessive trait if you breed tangelo to non-tangelo (you would get "het" tangelo which are really just het tremper but you can call it whatever). However, the tremper albino trait is the only recessive part of the tangelo. The tangerine part is known as a poylgenetic or "line-bred" trait. It acts as a recessive trait for a few generations but is really not. If you breed a tangerine to a non-tangerine you will get a muddied down tangerine looking gecko. You breed those offspring to a non-tangerine, you will again get a less tangerine looking animal. Now say you breed those F2 offspring to a tangerine...you will then get a more tangerine gecko because there is still that linebred trait in the gecko.

Hope that helps some.

Mallorie

 

[Gregg M]

You are a great man Eric... Quoting Mother Teresa and coming to Nicks rescue and all... So we should allow false info to be put out there??? Thats great Eric...

I can see it now... Every classifieds ad section will have leopard geckos het for tangerine... LOL... That is certainly something I am looking foward to...

I am done... Why??? Because I am right and anyone who even has a slight clue as to what they are doing will see through the BS and never buy a "het for tangerine"....

 

[eric]

There are other softer ways to make your point . You chose to be Gregg!

"An ounce of practice is worth more than tons of preaching."
Mohandas Gandhi

 

[Gregg M]

There are other softer ways to make your point . You chose to be Gregg!

You say I chose to be Gregg... I am Gregg... Sorry if I am not molding to form what you think I should be... Sure there is a softer way, but its not my way and never will be my way... Again, sorry to dissappoint you Erig...:main_thumbsup:

With that I am done... Unless ofcorse someone has something that will prove me wrong...

 

[eric]

So much Anger :main_no:. Do you need a hug :main_yes: What makes a great reptile breeder is the ablitiy to teach with out arrogance! “Arrogance diminishes wisdom”

"Anger and intolerance are the enemies of correct understanding."
Mohandas Gandhi

 

[thestack510]

I'm not The Moral Police, but it's all in the tone you use with people. Tangerine is polygenic and acts recessive. You can't have hets, but you can pass on the trait, as is the case with Cremesicles, which are a Tangerine Snow combo morph. I would reword the info just a little, but there's no need to belittle anyone. Your message would be better received without the public lynching.

 

[malt_geckos]

Also about tangelos being co-dominant..this is my belief...if it's co-dominant there should be a super form of tangelo...but there is not...there are tangelos that carry more orange but that doesn't prove them to be co-dominant...it just means IMO that they have been line-bred for better tangerine colors. If tangelo was co-dominant than tangelo to normal would make 50% tangelos 50% normal....tangeloXtangelo would make 25% normal 50% tangelo and 25% super tangelo. But that's not how they prove out. Tangelo to tangelo will make 100% tangelo which makes it a combo morph (tangerine tremper albino)...just hope that helps some.

 

[Halley]

I just have a simple questions!

Would you mind posting pictures of your breeding groups and the offspring produced by each? I don’t know about other people, but I’m more of a visual learner!

 

[bro paul]

Ya'll should be used to Gregg by now...lol! He's not going to change. I've enjoyed his overly blunt comments for many years now...

With the Tangelos...I have no idea. BUT, I'm leaning towards the possibility that some line-bred traits may become so "strong" over generations that they begin to appear to act co-dominant...or in fact, become somewhat "co-dominant"...if that makes sense.

 

[thestack510]

"ofcorse" is spelled wrong, as well as "Erig." Are you done nit picking? It's a never ending battle. Common courtesy doesn't mean your soft, it's the path of least resistance. Kindness and weakness are two very different things.