Tremper cross with Bell

[chazthaking2]

Why is it bad to cross a Tremper to a Bell, I know nothing would come out but double hets but why does everyone make it seem like its a bad thing?

 

[Blizzard Lizard]

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[chazthaking2]

not quite the answer i was looking for but thanks

 

[Dan K.]

you get 100% normals

 

[chazthaking2]

i mean if you breed the double hets back to each other, is there a possibility something other than normal may come out?

 

[Boopster]

I have not heard anyone who has done it but I think it is generaly frowned upon as you can't be absolutely sure what albino strain the babies are in the f2 generation.
Since the albino strains are not compatible the mutated gene should be on different cromosomes, or at least in different loci. Sou you should be able to make double albinos.
When crossing double hets for 2 albino strains you should get ~56% normals ~19% of each albino strain and ~6% double albinos. That is with both types of albinism.
Perhaps it does not work but it would be interesting to try. I mean who knows, maybe they look cooler then either grandparent.

Peace out.

Axel

 

[chazthaking2]

well im going to try, its worth it i think to see what is deserved to be seen

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

People don't do it because it's unethical. there is no reason to breed to 2 strains of albino to each other. There are more then enough of both strains out there to not cross them together.

 

[Gazz]

i mean if you breed the double hets back to each other, is there a possibility something other than normal may come out?

Normal HET Talbino,Balbino X Normal HET Talbino,Balbino = .

1/16.Talbinobalbino normal.
2/16.Talbino normal HET Balbino.
1/16.Talbino normal.
2/16.Balbino normal HET Talbino.
4/16.Normal HET Talbino,Balbino.
2/16.Normal HET Talbino.
1/16.Balbino normal.
2/16Normal HET Balbino.
1/16.Normal.

It's not bad just gets confusing :main_thumbsup:.IMO worth the confusion for a Talbinobalbino-aka-Homozygous-Tremper/Homozygous-Bell.

 

[chazthaking2]

thank you i agree and when i make it we'll cut out the technical and call it something esle just like we do everything else

 

[stewy84]

Just wondering how you know they are not compatable without breeding them? I dont know anywhere near as much as most people here do so dont take my ? the rong way just trying to understand and kinda think they will all get mixed up sooner or later.Just my opinion.

 

[chazthaking2]

i agree and no heart feelings but you never know until you try so its about that time

 

[cassadaga]

They've been bred together before. When you breed a Bell to a Tremper there are no albino offspring. Normals hets for both. Same if you breed a Rainwater to a bell, or a Tremper to a Rainwater. This alone is what makes them incompatible, proving they are three seperate mutations.

Jodi Aherns attempted to make double homozygous albinos, and I think he believes to have produced a Tremper Rainwater. I'm not sure if it was ever proven.

 

[stewy84]

Sounds like theres a lot of test breeding that needs to be done. Anyone elts got any info as far as pp trying? And was every combo morph made after the first try? Provided that what they would be called, really dont know what you would consider a leo homogized for 2 of the albino strains? Better yet how would you tell? I know that I wouldnt, anyway would like to learn more if anyone can share.

 

[chazthaking2]

now i know they are incompatible but what im saying is the double het for bell and tremper what would come out. what happens when you actually successfully combine the 2 albino genes

 

[cassadaga]

The photos of the *possible* Tremper Rainwater I saw looked very much like an even mix of the two. Unfortunatly, the two strains aren't that much different in appearance. I know Jodi Aherns is a member here, maybe he'll see this and give us his opinion.

Personally, I think that while it can be an interesting and rewarding project for an experienced, well organized breeder with a lot of time and space, as soon as they become available to the public all control will be lost. Eventually all three strains will be mixed, and pure strains will be rare.

 

[chazthaking2]

if pure strains are rare then the ones that still have them can sell them at prices at where they used to be when they first began and thats what is awesome about supply and demand

 

[Gazz]

now i know they are incompatible but what im saying is the double het for bell and tremper what would come out. what happens when you actually successfully combine the 2 albino genes

Normal HET Talbino,Balbino X Normal HET Talbino,Balbino = .

1/16.Talbinobalbino normal.
2/16.Talbino normal HET Balbino.
1/16.Talbino normal.
2/16.Balbino normal HET Talbino.
4/16.Normal HET Talbino,Balbino.
2/16.Normal HET Talbino.
1/16.Balbino normal.
2/16Normal HET Balbino.
1/16.Normal.

:main_thumbsup:

 

[Nigel4less]

:main_no: No reason to? There are already to many Leopards on the market as it is, and by crossing two or more strains you are putting a strain on the albino market and possibly crashing it worse then it already is at. Its very unethical and has been attempted many times before.

 

[Nigel4less]

if pure strains are rare then the ones that still have them can sell them at prices at where they used to be when they first began and thats what is awesome about supply and demand

Also Pure Strains are far from Rare.