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[Retribution Reptiles]

Ok my thread name should take care of any issues regarding anything i say in this post.


I'm really tired of reading on the forums people getting geckos and then wanting to breed them. Well the breeding part is ok but it's more of the fact that after they breed them they go holy **** i have eggs what do i do. Or I'm going to breed this SHTCTB to a Blizzard what am i going to get. [content deleted] How about doing alittle research and then doing the breedings and such. Genetic information is everywhere from private breeders pages to the forums. It's out there just stop being lazy.

Do a little freaking research on he subject then if you think that you can financially deal with the burden of making babies of the big thing then go right on ahead but don't sit there and breed different strains of albinos and when people tell you it's unethical don't cop and attitude.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Your point is a valid one, and I generally agree.

But the statement in all-caps really wasn't necessary. :main_no:

 

[Dan K.]

there you go get it off you chest, better out than in. now calm down no one is forcing you to answer. I do agree with you though. and hope those people read this thred before it get's deleted! cuse it probaly will.

 

[Bellalee]

Not everyone does that, if you were referring to a post I made. I am doing the research my geckos are seperated, will I have the time, effort or knowledge to go through with it.. probably not. Do I want to breed to go into breeding.. hellll no.. there are so many amazing breeders out there.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Although I tend to agree with the OP, I do not want to see this thread go downhill. I know this topic can create a lot of frustration, and this is a place where members can express their views and feelings... but let's all remember that the majority of people are here to learn. Not everyone uses good judgement, unfortunately, and our animals may suffer for it. The best thing we all can do is try and educate others.

Sometimes we all (especially me!) need to just step away from the computer when we are angry and frustrated!

 

[Riyo]

I really sympathize with the OP here. I can't understand why some people are so eager to jump right into breeding. They haven't even taken the time to get some experience with just owning one...and they haven't even considered the possible expenses and issues when it comes to it!

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against breeders! But what I hate to see is people who have JUST gotten a leo (or any other animal) and then start wanting to breed.

sigh.

 

[LizMarie]

Ryan I pretty much agree with you even though I dunno what was edited but I get a little annoyed when people take breeding lightly as if they were making pie!

I believe its not something that should be taken lightly since its a really big commitment in more ways then one.

My big thing is when I see like 12year olds (i'm talking about in general) going to the pet shop buying two geckos going home putting them in a shoe box then saying how they want to breed so they can make big $$$..

 

[Next Level Geckos]

Ryan I pretty much agree with you even though I dunno what was edited but I get a little annoyed when people take breeding lightly as if they were making pie!

I believe its not something that should be taken lightly since its a really big commitment in more ways then one.

My big thing is when I see like 12year olds (i'm talking about in general) going to the pet shop buying two geckos going home putting them in a shoe box then saying how they want to breed so they can make big $$$..

actually liz I had a hard time making pie.....but still made it. a little off topic but pie is not so easy to make lol.

 

[nevinm]

im 100% behind you ryan. and as for things being uncalled for i dont think they are. this is after all for ranting and raving. i would like to put an epmphisis on "but don't sit there and breed different strains of albinos and when people tell you it's unethical don't cop and attitude." they get pissed when you tell them why its wrong. we dont even have to come down on people. we can be compleatly polite and informative as possable and they still get moody because they want to do what they want to do.

well said ryan. ryan i expect you to be by my side when i march down to hell to take over:main_thumbsup::main_thumbsup::main_thumbsup:

 

[Zynx_Keekeio]

im 100% behind you ryan. and as for things being uncalled for i dont think they are. this is after all for ranting and raving. i would like to put an epmphisis on "but don't sit there and breed different strains of albinos and when people tell you it's unethical don't cop and attitude." they get pissed when you tell them why its wrong. we dont even have to come down on people. we can be compleatly polite and informative as possable and they still get moody because they want to do what they want to do.

well said ryan. ryan i expect you to be by my side when i march down to hell to take over:main_thumbsup::main_thumbsup::main_thumbsup:

Ive never heard of something wrong with breeding the different strans, let alone heard of anyone mixing them together....hmmm. I'm curious now. AND yes I Can ASK THAt... OH i'm such a terrible person and lazy becuase i'm not researching on my own, WHo are you to know if the person has or hasn't done the research maybe there just concerned and want more feedback? It's scary to do something the firsts time no matter what, so even if you know, your lookning for encouragment and support and to see if what you were doing was right, because they are here, are they not. They want to help there leos or *insert reptile here*. and hey maybe some people want to breed, NOT just for money, but because they love the animal so much they want to see more of it?! it's addictive remember Now I don't agree with those who jump into it, and don't take the time to research before they do, that is aggrivating. and about genetics, even if you read up on it. IT"S JUST SO DANG CONFUSING!! It helps to have others sort it out for you. I've read a lot of genetic sites and I still have trouble understand the % stuff and what you get if you cross this and this. It's so much information. But I think it's a good thing we have the community who is willing to help. WHY else would we have a thread devoted soley to morphs and genetics?

Okay I'm done... sorry I don't want to upset anyone... just wanted to state my opinion, I'm in a rather debaty mood today. I was debating religion earlier today....so yeah

Oh and *tries to cover up age* thats not my age. psfft *shifty eyes*

 

[nevinm]

Ive never heard of something wrong with breeding the different strans, let alone heard of anyone mixing them together....hmmm. I'm curious now. AND yes I Can ASK THAt... OH i'm such a terrible person and lazy becuase i'm not researching on my own, WHo are you to know if the person has or hasn't done the research maybe there just concerned and want more feedback? It's scary to do something the firsts time no matter what, so even if you know, your lookning for encouragment and support and to see if what you were doing was right, because they are here, are they not. They want to help there leos or *insert reptile here*. and hey maybe some people want to breed, NOT just for money, but because they love the animal so much they want to see more of it?! it's addictive remember Now I don't agree with those who jump into it, and don't take the time to research before they do, that is aggrivating. and about genetics, even if you read up on it. IT"S JUST SO DANG CONFUSING!! It helps to have others sort it out for you. I've read a lot of genetic sites and I still have trouble understand the % stuff and what you get if you cross this and this. It's so much information. But I think it's a good thing we have the community who is willing to help. WHY else would we have a thread devoted soley to morphs and genetics?

Okay I'm done... sorry I don't want to upset anyone... just wanted to state my opinion, I'm in a rather debaty mood today. I was debating religion earlier today....so yeah

Oh and *tries to cover up age* thats not my age. psfft *shifty eyes*

everything i said was directly pointed at them jumping down our throats for explaining something politely or as nicely as possable. we arent talking about them learning genetics here. we are talking about topics that already have 15 threads started about it (like why its bad to cross the albino strain, do a quick search if you want to know lots will pop up). and when one of us try to explain it again they get pissed. go back to my post.... again i say.......

they get pissed when you tell them why its wrong. we dont even have to come down on people. we can be compleatly polite and informative as possable and they still get moody because they want to do what they want to do.

 

[nevinm]

there was one time where i did something similer to this, i thought i knew the answer and i was compleatly wrong. i kept arguing, and not in a nice way. and then i realized i was wrong...... it only took one time for me to learn my leason that im not always right. unfortionatly alot of times people cant realize that on the 5th try and sometime never do. if YOU are the one that comes to US and asks US for help, dont get pissed because you dont like what you hear. thats all there is to it, and there is nothing else to say to that. there is nothing wrong with questioning things, nothing at all. but there is a very big line between (not a thin line, a very big one) between questioning things and just flat out arguing because you dont like what you hear.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

and as for things being uncalled for i dont think they are.

What was uncalled for, is what Marcia edited out. Or do you think she's just goes around cutting random content out of posts? I'm certain her days aren't quite that long. And if you didn't see the verbiage before it was edited out, how can you even have an opinion as to if it was or wasn't appropriate? :main_huh: :main_rolleyes:

Trust me, it was a poor choice of wording, and it was very uncalled for.

 

[LG-Geckos]

I think I agree with you.
It´s better to buy a good book or look at infos in the web.
And it always helps to talk to breeders but you should know the basic informations.
The best way for me to learn about genetics was reading, reading an reading
But questions are always welcome...

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Well i would like to thank you everyone for the post here. If anyone has watched house my "poor choice" of words is what he pretty much calls everyone. I stand behind everything i said whether it has made some people upset or not. If you agree or disagree with what i stated doesn't matter to me.

Sure maybe dropping the S bomb was a bit much. I got what i deserved and what i knew i would get. I'm willing to take that sacrifice if it makes people stop and think about what they do.

I'm sure there are people out there in the world that want to be the first to create a morph. I don't see anything new coming from what blood lines we already have. I think that fresh blood and gene pools are needed to be able to pull those new genetic traits out.

I think that getting either Sub Species or getting CB WC blood imported is the only thing that is going to put new traits into what we already have.

Why are there so many new morphs coming out in the AFT market is because that WC animals are still able to be imported and that fresh gene pool to have a higher success rate of finding that recessive trait that wouldn't be found in the wild.

If i offended i'm sorry.

 

[Roaming Reptiles]

Just a couple of random thoughts. I have been thinking about this for awhile now. I feel that when people come to this site and start asking questions its a very good thing. Atleast they are making the effort to come here and learn about what they are getting into. Even though we might see the same questions over and over again atleast they are asking. If you are giving your answer and they get upset about it there is nothing you can do about that. You are doing your part to educate them. I have asked many questions on here that im sure everyone has heard a million times. That is part of learning. Reptiles are not as common as cats and dogs and so alot of people think its weird that I own reptiles and dont want a cat or a dog. I started with one Leo and now I have ten with 12 eggs baking right now. I didnt buy these leos to make money. I bought them becuase my family and I love them. Breeding them is just a bonus. If I dont sell any of them thats fine I will keep all of them and be happy to do it. I do agree that people should research what they buy before they buy it, but that is not always going to happen. There will always be people who buy first and ask questions later. But thats where we step up and help them learn. Like I said these are just some of my thoughts. Thanks for reading.


Brandon

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I think perhaps what Ryan is getting at is, that so many people jump into breeding geckos before they do their homework. I can't count the number of posts here on GF where people have allowed their geckos to breed (whether accidently or deliberately) and then were in a panic when suddenly their female is gravid or has just laid eggs. "HELP! WHAT DO I DO NOW" posts should never happen, IMHO!!!

As a breeder, I get tons of emails and phone calls from people asking the same questions. It pisses me off that in this day and age, people have not bothered to utilize the wonderful resources available to us... like this website for example. ALL the answers are right here! There are several books available, and a plethora of information all over the internet. There is simply no excuse for the irresponsibility of many who simply put their geckos together to 'see what will happen', and then ask what to do.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Yep that's pretty much what I was attempting to get at. There is no excuse for the ignorance. I don't like the mentality that people can have everything handed to them on a silver platter.

It's almost like people don't have work ethics anymore. I work very hard to be able to provide a roof over my head and still have money for geckos. I have seen by reading many pages in the archives of people that come and go on this site. I for one don't want to be one of those people. I would like to be someone that sticks around for a long time and have the torch handed down to.

So by me being a little brash it's not cause i don't want people to enjoy reptiles as a hobby or business it's that i want the cold hard facts out there that this isn't for everyone.

 

[Foreverandever]

I just want to poke my head in and say I have to agree. It's not fair to the animals. NO person should just say "hey...I know nothing, but lets just see what happens."

 

[Roaming Reptiles]

I agree people should have the know how in what they are getting into before they get into it. But that will not always happen and sad put true it more than likely happens more than it does not. I got my first snake when I was young and I didnt know that much about them. But after time I realized that I needed to learn about what I was doing and correct any problems. I bought books and came to this website to learn as much as I can about leos. People should go through the older threads and read and learn and if they still dont understand then ask questions.