whats wrong with giant mealworms?

[SanDiegoLeos]

ive seen some negative feedback on them can somebody please tell me what all the fuss is about?

 

[Ipsl]

Well from what Ive read there are giant meal worms which are altered some way so they don't pupate. So thats like a growth hormone in cows kinda trip. But then there are king worms which are an entirely different species of roach. I use those myself and I haven't heard anything negative about those.

 

[SanDiegoLeos]

well i use giant mealworms and i have about 30 beetles already from them already and i am 100% sure that the ones i have pupate

 

[malt_geckos]

I have no problem with giant mealies...The ones that are NOT altered. The problem is that some people are selling genetically altered giants as super worms. I've never heard about the not-pupating thing, but I know that growth hormones aren't good to ingest.

 

[SanDiegoLeos]

mine arent altered in any way i mean i breed them at ym house haha so unless its somehow passed on mine should be fine then right?>

 

[Ipsl]

I dont know what or how they're altered, that was just a guess about them.

 

[malt_geckos]

Giant mealies aren't altered. They are just a different type of mealie. What I said is that people have altered giants and sold them as super giants. So pretty much all giants are fine.

 

[ReptileMan27]

You mean super worms?

 

[Leopardbreeder]

Giant Mealworms and Supers worms are 100% different. Giant MEALWORMS are NOT genetically altered, they are given an insect growth hormone. I am working on a project to do the same in crickets. Giant MEALWORMS are sterile and most die before puapation.

 

[SanDiegoLeos]

Giant Mealworms and Supers worms are 100% different. Giant MEALWORMS are NOT genetically altered, they are given an insect growth hormone. I am working on a project to do the same in crickets. Giant MEALWORMS are sterile and most die before puapation.

thats odd because honestly my regular mealies tubs have a little more death then the giants oh well i dunno but i do appreciate the feedback guys

 

[scottd]

lol all this worry about "GM" stuff. funny thing is if you read into genetics we are a generation of Genetically Modified stuff. Thing you dont know is almost everything, if not everything in the usa is "GM". the reason you dont know is because the FDA does not have to report it in our ingredients. even most farms have GM rice and plants, its more economical.

 

[Leopardbreeder]

Actually, plants the are "Genetically Modified" and selectively bred. They do not ave there genes played with. This like quickest prime, greatest seed count, sweetest fruit, and LARGEST fruit are all thanks to selective breeding.

 

[scottd]

wrong! plants are genetically modified as well. they mutate the genes to have less weeds and stuff like that. or to need less water etc. good example is papayas. almost all papayas are gm food. they had a issue in hawaii where they were dying from a ringspot virus so they modified it genetically. to boot, many countries will not buy our rice or corn. even budweiser beer has a chemical rice strain that was detected not too long ago. these plants will also breed in the wild and we wont be able to contain them in the future, thus resulting in modification to our earths normal genetic code and possible ecological disaster. when these experiments are done in buildings they are safe but in the wild they breed and cross pollinate. currently we are also making gm trees as well for paper mills that grow faster than normal. japan is also working on pigs that are modified to be a low fat/lean animal. 1 scary thing we did was add a human gene to rice to break down chemicals and digest it better. americans have been eating this stuff for years and we really dont know the long term effects yet. so everything is and will be gm sooner or later, i suggest buckle up cause we are experimenting with our natural code that has survived many years and we dont know where we are headed. sorry for the long post but i find genetics fascinating.

 

[Leopardbreeder]

You are getting into VERY touchy subjects now.

 

[scottd]

You are getting into VERY touchy subjects now.

not sure what you mean by touchy? they are factual and if you need help finding out more send me a pm ill be glad to help

 

[Gecko]

You know I actually did get some mealworms bred from a "big" mealworm colony so I'd be suprized if they are all sterile. When they pupate though the death rate was amazingly high. Of those that become beetles most died within a day because the hard caseings didn't form right and they seemed to dry out or something. Maybe 1-2 lived though like less then 2%. I did get an F1 though. I think they were normal mealworms though.

 

[Leopardbreeder]

What I mean by "Touchy Subject" is that opinions differ greatly on THIS subject. There is no FACTual information on this subject simply because, we cant prove ANYTHING. How can we know how this effects people in 50 years, is its only been around 30 years? You cant. You should not come out with your opinions on things that cannot be proven, and call it the gospel! I would be very interested in seeing some FACTS on this subject, I have yet to see any. I believe that genetically modified food is fine as long as it is not pumped full of (known) harmful chemicals.

 

[scottd]

wow, chill out a little. i said i would help you in a pm if u want. also i did not say where we would be in 30+ years or damages that will occur. i did not use any un-factual info and if i did please quote it. we have done some gene modifications and we cant or wont know the effects until later in life. i dont know where i made anything up? i tried to be helpful on data as to how we are using "GM" stuff in america today. thanks, if you have any questions message me instead of insulting me. im really not trying to argue im just trying to supply info. you claimed we do not "GM" plants, we selectively breed them. this is wrong and i just proved it, i even tried to back this data by giving an example of hawaii's papayas that were dying until we gave it a genetic vaccine. good day to you.

 

[scottd]

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~rdb/bnfm042.html Strait from the FDA, so heres facts on how they "had there genes played with."

 

[Leopardbreeder]

Thats a complete opposite of what we are talking about. We are talking about making things more nutritious and larger or easier to breed. We said nothing about making a mutant.