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Gazz,
If you look on Ron's website he has a picture of an Xanthic DB. Like my male xanthic and his male xanthic this DB does not express eclipse eyes. He seems to be expanding the DB trademark. Not sure why.
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Here's a close up of the eyes of a Blanco compared to the eyes of the Xanthic DB. I'm no expert but I don't see too much of a difference.
This male has also produced some very, very yellow DB's:
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sunset008pp9.jpg
This girl has some great looking yellow eyes but they're obviously not eclipse:
This post has been very helpful. Thanks to all.
This male has also produced some very, very yellow DB's:
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sunset008pp9.jpg
This girl has some great looking yellow eyes but they're obviously not eclipse:
This post has been very helpful. Thanks to all.
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the eye is red ? You might have to wait till the leo gets a little older but nice leo
Honestly, I do see a difference in the two eyes. I also think you have to listen to Ron. He says they loose eye color as they age, so it’s possible that he has simply lost some. I would personally keep going with the project, as I actually think there might be something here.
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I'm not sure I understand your post. No, the eyes in the above pictures are not red.
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Agreed. Also, the term 'Xanthic' is used too loosely, IMO. All it means is an abundance of yellow pigment, which is not a desirable trait in Blizzards.
Then they are definitely albino, just with darkened eyes from age and low incubation temps. I guess that makes them proper Diablos.
"False eclipse eyes" (meaning the pigmentation patches that many blizzard have in the eyes) are not less solid than eclipse eyes. In fact they look almost the same, which makes it impossible to discern which patches are due to the blizzard gene and which are due to the eclipse gene in these crosses.
What I'm sure about is that your male is not a Diablo blanco if we take it as an eclipse + albino + blizzard. He isn't showing the eclipse trait anywhere.
Supposing that there is such thing as a "Xantic gene" (I'm refering to the yellowish eye, I think it should have a different name but whatever), he would be a blizzard + albino + "xantic", probably het eclipse judging by the quantity and quality of pigmentation patches in the offspring eyes (blizzards usually don't have as much if they haven't been selectively bred, for example, crossing two blizzards that already have "snake eyes". It happens the same with eclipses, but the difference is that they have been selective breed this way for many generations).
If you want to prove the Xantic trait, I would breed him to a normal het nothing, and a Tremper albino het nothing (just in case, it looks to me something that could not be very well seen in a non-albino animal). If you don't get any xantics from this crosses, breed the offspring back to the father to check if it's a recessive trait.
If nothing happens, chances are that you have just a blazing blizzard with pretty eyes.
But I hope it proves for you.
Both parents too these leo's are expressing Tremper albino ??.So how can any of the offspring be NON albino blizzard.They are either (DARK EYED)Talbino eclipse blizzard(DB) OR Talbino*false*eclipse blizzard due to one parent expressing eclipse(female) and the other not(male).
You can get False eclipse full black eye.Same as you can get eclipse not filling much of the eye.Percentage of eye black out dosen't determin a eclipse from a false eclipse it's the genetics that do that.Eclipse(Recessive) can be expressed in ANY percentage of iris black out.False eclipse(Random) can be expressed in ANY percentage of iris black out.
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This has been a huge help. Sounds like someone may be very good at marketing!
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This is exactly what I was thinking when I read that.
If he thinks that you would only get TAlbinos out of this crossing then yes, but maybe there was a misunderstanding.
In my opinion the new genes that Ron is coming out with need to be test bred to prove the genetics, ex. Abyssinians, Xanthics, and I do not think that Emerald is a simple recessive trait but rather a polygenetic (line bred) trait. By test bred, I mean they need to be put with a normal looking gecko and then the offspring need to be bred back to the original animal. Great post though.:main_thumbsup:
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I'm glad that the subject of Emerine geckos has been brought up. I also purchased a very expensive pair of Emerines from Ron. These are the "best ever produced" according to Ron. On his website they looked very green. I can't see green, anyone else? They are very nice geckos but not green.
I've also attached pics of the offspring. Again nice geckos but green?
Emerine super giant male:
Emerine female:
Offspring produced:
I've also attached pics of the offspring. Again nice geckos but green?
Emerine super giant male:
Emerine female:
Offspring produced:
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I see a faint vertebral stripe of green on the female. Also I have to comment on your Monitors, those are just amazing and the Lace I didn't even know those were available except for Australia.
This is what I think of emeralds/emerines...
From what I've read, skin pigments in color-changing lizards are distributed this way:
- A layer of melanine
- Rest of pigments
- Another layer of melanine
The "green" we see in leopard geckos seems to be caused by the orange/yellow coloration overcoming the lavender bands. Usually the bands are located on top, but not in these geckos. I think it has to do with the removal of the first layer of melanine, but not the second. Proof is that it appears mostly in hypo-ish geckos, and that the green is where the lavender bands should be (in banded geckos it is displayed in bands, but in stripe-ish geckos it becomes a green stripe just like in your female. I think she might be a reverse stripe).
It first appeared sometimes in low-quality tangerines, and in general it was considered an undesirable trait, although some people did a remarkable effort to keep the green coloration in their geckos. It was called "green phase" back then, because it disappeared with age. Lavender bands are very bold in juveniles, but not as much in adults, and thus the green color disappeared as well. This could be what happened to your male.
It IS a line bred trait. That means that some of the offspring will inherit it and some will not, and there is not much you can do to control it.
By the way, it looks like your emerines are het RAPTOR (Tremper albino+eclipse)!! I definitely see some eclipses and albinos in there!!!
From what I've read, skin pigments in color-changing lizards are distributed this way:
- A layer of melanine
- Rest of pigments
- Another layer of melanine
The "green" we see in leopard geckos seems to be caused by the orange/yellow coloration overcoming the lavender bands. Usually the bands are located on top, but not in these geckos. I think it has to do with the removal of the first layer of melanine, but not the second. Proof is that it appears mostly in hypo-ish geckos, and that the green is where the lavender bands should be (in banded geckos it is displayed in bands, but in stripe-ish geckos it becomes a green stripe just like in your female. I think she might be a reverse stripe).
It first appeared sometimes in low-quality tangerines, and in general it was considered an undesirable trait, although some people did a remarkable effort to keep the green coloration in their geckos. It was called "green phase" back then, because it disappeared with age. Lavender bands are very bold in juveniles, but not as much in adults, and thus the green color disappeared as well. This could be what happened to your male.
It IS a line bred trait. That means that some of the offspring will inherit it and some will not, and there is not much you can do to control it.
By the way, it looks like your emerines are het RAPTOR (Tremper albino+eclipse)!! I definitely see some eclipses and albinos in there!!!
I like the "good salesman" comment. If he worked for a sales company, he would vacation in Hawaii every year. When your done talking with him, you just have a smile and ask "can I take a picture with you." I definitley felt like a nerd, but it was fun. He is also real cool about autographing his book for you. He could sell sand in the desert.
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I don't know him but he has always been very responsive. The only thing that bothers me about him and many others is the fact that websire pictures are obviously enhanced. Rarely, have I received a gecko that has the coloring depicted on a website.
That's why I almost always use natural sunlight for my pics and no editing. Occasionally I'm lazy and take the picture with gecko on my leg next to the computer (one of my last classified posts... ha). I do try to represent them honestly, but sometimes the outside thing is too much. Right now I'm teaching the chemistry part of biology, head of after-school tutorial, building the homecoming float, coaching girls soccer, getting freshman baseball players ready for conditioning and trying to run a business during a recession. Without this site Kelli I would go nuts.
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