White Gecko w/ Eclipse Eyes

[Baoh]

I am taken by surprise that so little frustration has been displayed regarding this issue and others similar to it. Especially by good folks who have spent appreciable sums under the belief that certain claims hold veracity.

 

[Halley]

I am taken by surprise that so little frustration has been displayed regarding this issue and others similar to it. Especially by good folks who have spent appreciable sums under the belief that certain claims hold veracity.

I don’t see any point in worrying about it. All you can do is protect yourself.

 

[GeckoEcho]

Well this post has totally confused us all a little more into the secrets behind the diablo blanco. So whats the best thing to breed a male diablo blanco to, to produce more diablo blancos in the future, a DB only? Since I was thinking I could produce some by breeding him to a raptors I'm now back at square one with this post. What do I get by breeding a diablo blanco to blazing blizzards? Baffling....but glad we're all getting some questions answered on these guys.

 

[Sandra]

I am taken by surprise that so little frustration has been displayed regarding this issue and others similar to it. Especially by good folks who have spent appreciable sums under the belief that certain claims hold veracity.

The TOS don't allow to talk negatively about anyone's bussiness so... I'm guessing the fustration is there, just not being displayed.

So whats the best thing to breed a male diablo blanco to, to produce more diablo blancos in the future, a DB only?

To produce Diablos with a male Diablo Blanco, you need a female that carries the three genes that make up the Diablo Blanco (blizzard, Tremper albino and eclipse). That is:
- A normal het blizzard, Tremper and eclipse
- A blizzard het Tremper and eclipse
- A Tremper het blizzard and eclipse
- An eclipse het blizzard and Tremper
- A blazing blizzard (Tremper albino + blizzard) het eclipse.
- A RAPTOR (Tremper albino + eclipse) het blizzard
- A blizzard eclipse, het Tremper
That is what people usually call Diablo Blanco hets, that in reality are just multiple hets of several traits.

Of course, you could also breed him to a female Diablo Blanco and you would get 100% Diablos.

From breeding him to a female RAPTOR you would get 100% RAPTORS het blizzard.

 

[supperl]

When I talked with Ron he stated to me that Blancos are DB withoput red eyes.
That means their are Geckos hatching from DB*DB without red eyes.
One could think of the all known vanishing red eyes of eclipse you sometimes see at Raptors?
Or that bascially you hatch Aptors from Raptor*Raptor breedings.
But somehow it doesn´t seem that easy as these should still be Raptor right(I mean the vanishing eyes) so their still should hatch Raptors from them?

I talked with him about it asking a few major things:
BBhR=Blanco?
Basically yes you can describe the genpool like that but Blancos are its own morph.

He said you can´t get Blizzards out of the DB.
But I bought 2 females from DB*BB which are BB and I have a Raptor male from DB*Raptor so this can´t be.
I asked him what would happen when breeding BB*DB and he said he never tested.
Sa,e amswere to Raptor*DB.
From what I read out of Rons mails posted bye JME, I would say the DB has nothing to do with the complete Raptor genetics.
If Ron thinks DB*Raptor brings only Banded Albinos(and my male is a Banded Eclipse Albino and is from that pairing) it would mean the DB is not a Combo of Raptor and Blizzard its just a combo of Eclipse Albino Blizzard.
So you wouldn´t get 100% Raptors from DB*Raptor due to the fact that the DB is just no Raptor Blizzard.

I think the Blanco is what we know as an ordinairy BB as we also don´t mark an Aptor hatched from Raptor*Raptor different than Aptor right?
And we also don´t name a hatchling that hatched with snake eyes and lost them and Raptor right?

So in my opinion DB=Eclipse Albino Blizzard and these nonred eyed hatchlings we already saw in Raptorbreedings(never had it but I read about it).

What now a Xanthic is I dunno. Could their be a Patternless gene involved? Maybe the Xanthic also is just a REAL Aptor Blizzard? Not Only a BBhE?
I could think of this maybe the Xanthic is a True Aptor Blizzard.
Or do we just have a yellowish line breed or so? Who knows but still 2k is much for a Gecko that if you are unlicky oyu could have gotten for 200$ or so.

I´m still confused on these but I will have a breeding groupe next year with a Raptor het Blizzard and 2 BB het Eclipse so I will be seeing what I will hatch even thought I don´t have true DBs here 

 

[Gazz]

Well this post has totally confused us all a little more into the secrets behind the diablo blanco. So whats the best thing to breed a male diablo blanco to, to produce more diablo blancos in the future, a DB only? Since I was thinking I could produce some by breeding him to a raptors I'm now back at square one with this post. What do I get by breeding a diablo blanco to blazing blizzards? Baffling....but glad we're all getting some questions answered on these guys.

You can get Talbino eclipse blizzard(DB) from a Talbino eclipse blizzard(DB) X Talbino eclipse patternless striped(RAPTOR) IF the Talbino eclipse patternless striped(RAPTOR) is HET blizzard.

To make life easy it's best to breed a Talbino eclipse blizzard(DB) ofcourse to another Talbino eclipse blizzard(DB).Or to any Talbino body morph(Banded,Striped,Patternless striped,Jungle'etc'etc) that is visually expressing eclipse and ofcourse also being HET blizzard.Then ALL the blizzard offspring from such a breeding will be Talbino eclipse blizzard(DB).

Talbino eclipse blizzard(DB) X Talbino blizzard(BB) = 100%Talbino blizzard HET eclipse.

Talbino eclipse blizzard(DB) X Ralbino blizzard(BB) = 100%Blizzard HET Talbino,Ralbino,Eclipse.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Diablo Blanco`s with dark eyes? It is normal for Trempers incubated at lower temps, OR Trempers that have "cooled" after hatching, to be darker. Eyes also.

 

[boutiquegecko]

Hi, your leos and monitors are beautiful. I don't see the green in the emerines (there's supposed to be right?)
And nothing to do with xanthics or blancos, but you ask if anyone has a white gecko with black eyes. I have a mack blizz with solid black eyes.

 

[Gazz]

Diablo Blanco`s with dark eyes?.

Yes ? why would you assume not ?.

Here is a link to a Talbino eclipse banded.The eclipse trait is true Tremper line eclipse you can see that there VERY dark,black looking.And being that the eclipse trait in RAPTOR types & Diablo blanco is the same gene then yes Diablo blanco with dark eyes should not be a unexpected thing.

Talbino eclipse banded.
Eye shots left & right.
http://www.geckosetc.com/images/avail/Available Pictures/RPF19_Reye_600.jpg
http://www.geckosetc.com/images/avail/Available Pictures/RPF19_Leye_600.jpg

 

[paulnj]

Gazz, first off you are replying to a person who knows ALOT about the eclipse gene and he was stating they could be dark from temps.

Secondly, though I wasn't going to say this, The Xanthic DB is not a DB by Ron's ORIGINAL definition, so hopefully Ron changes the term if his results are the same.

Genetics I have quite a grasp of and I assure you that DB x DB makes DB all the time with the occational eclipse animal who's eyes revert to normal or hatches normal eyed.

NO MORE from me on this subject

 

[Gazz]

Genetics I have quite a grasp of and I assure you that DB x DB makes DB all the time with the occational eclipse animal who's eyes revert to normal or hatches normal eyed.

Yes but dose the eye revert back 100%.Coz even if the eclipse trait is only expessed*1%*of iris black out that would be a eclipse.That's why i think that the term Ruby eye,Red eye,snake eye''etc is unneeded and IMO should be scraped personally.We should only use the term eclipse(non albino) plus state body type and albino eclipse plus state body type.

Has anyone any eye pictures of Eclipse or Albino eclipse reverters and are they 100% clean iris.

Proper eclipse between sun & moon dose pretty much the same as iris & black out.So IMO fits and works very well just to stick with the term eclipse & albino eclipse only.

 

[Gazz]

Example the leo in the link is mark as a APTOR.BUT the eclipse trait is exppressed on this leo though only in a small percent but it is there.Now to refer to it a a RAPTOR dosen't quite fit IMO as there nothinng Ruby about that eye.However you can call it a Talbino eclipse paternless striped coz the eclipse can be expressed in as little or as much percent of iris black out as it dose with the sun & moon.As anything from 1% to 100% works.But calling them ruby eye when your talking 1% just dosen't sound right.

http://www.geckosetc.com/images/avail/Available Pictures/very_cool_ap1_head_600.jpg

 

[paulnj]

my 100% proven eclipse.. eclipse x raptor and 5 eclipses hatched
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q78/Paulnj/matteclipse.jpg

head shot
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q78/Paulnj/oldblueeyes.jpg

 

[SaSobek]

my 100% proven eclipse.. eclipse x raptor and 5 eclipses hatched
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q78/Paulnj/matteclipse.jpg

head shot
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q78/Paulnj/oldblueeyes.jpg

hahahha looks like my line Paul

 

[paulnj]

read the link to the first Matt file name Matteclipse

 

[JME]

Gazz, first off you are replying to a person who knows ALOT about the eclipse gene and he was stating they could be dark from temps.

Secondly, though I wasn't going to say this, The Xanthic DB is not a DB by Ron's ORIGINAL definition, so hopefully Ron changes the term if his results are the same.

Genetics I have quite a grasp of and I assure you that DB x DB makes DB all the time with the occational eclipse animal who's eyes revert to normal or hatches normal eyed.

NO MORE from me on this subject

Paul,

I do not get red-eyed DB's 100% of the time when I breed a red-eyed DB male to a red-eyed DB female.

 

[Nigel4less]

Paul,

I do not get red-eyed DB's 100% of the time when I breed a red-eyed DB male to a red-eyed DB female.

Aslong as you have a Blazing Blizzard Expressing the Eclipse gene whether snake eyed or Full eyed it is a Diablo Blanco. PERIOD

 

[paulnj]

You should get a variation of eclipse eyes on a tremper blazing blizzard(that's what a DB is) when you breed DB X DB. If you are not, you don't have a pair of DB...

In monitor terms you would get all albino blue tegus when you breed a 1.1 , same goes for DB's as they are a homozygous form of a triple recessive gene combo.

 

[JME]

Please see classifieds if you're interested in this group. I'm getting out of geckos and sticking with monitors. The genetic traits just aren't for me.

I tried to set a reasonable price but feel free to comment. The Super Giant male alone cost me about $2k.

Thanks.

 

[thestack510]

I don't have room for the whole group, I wish I did.