Whoops, Tokay! (help?)

Emily

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Hi!

My name is Emily, and I just started keeping Leopard Geckos about a month ago (boy, I sound like an addict). Unfortunately, my baby Leo was dropped and suffered internal bleeding that she could not recover from (her condition was also worsened by my inadequate temperatures and general inexperience). Of course I was horribly sad, and have been tentatively seeking another Leo to fill my empty tank.

So of course when I heard from a boy on campus who claimed to have a Leo that needed rehoming, I readily agreed.

It's a Tokay. Unabashedly so: she is young (about six inches long), dark-colored, and wholeheartedly wants to knife me in my sleep. I can't/won't give her back, obviously. I'm committed to this animal (despite her obvious homicidal tendencies). Besides, she's cute.

Regardless of her aesthetic appeal, I was completely unprepared for a Tokay when I picked her up two days ago. Right now she is in my Leo tank (10 gal), with the hot end pushing 87-ish degrees and the cool end at 78 or so. Until I can get branches and more things for her to climb on (she has an assortment of deer antlers, corkboard, and a tupperware for now), I've left the hides in her tank. I've been handling her as little as possible, but I think I upset her horribly when I checked on her this morning! I will be leaving her alone for the next week or so until I feel like she's settled enough that I can start sort-of hand taming her (ie: teach her only to bite me SOMETIMES).

The humidity is pretty high (70%). Substrate right now is paper towels until I can get moss or soil or something (this weekend). She's eating like a champ (complete with dinosaur noises). Food is dusted and gut loaded (crickets).

My issues:
- She is TERRIFIED of me. I don't mind getting bitten, but I feel like I'm kicking a puppy in the face every time I open the tank. Barking and rearing and biting. I realize Tokays aren't easy to tame, but is there something I can do to relieve her anxiety? I have to give her fresh water/drop in some crickets/etc.
- I am going to have to redesign her whole tank set-up. Now, this is a stupid question, but how the hell do I get her out of the tank? I'm sure not going to grab her...I'll hurt her by mistake, and even if I did, what should I put her in? I don't want to stress her out (the big issue) or risk an escape.
- She doesn't climb. I'm sure this is just an acclimation thing (?), but she's mostly inside her little hide. I assume that once she gets more comfortable and there are more places for her to climb, she will do so?
- If I turn the 10 gallon on its side, to give her more climbing room, will the wire lid hurt her feet?
- What else do I need to pick up at the pet store this weekend to make this little gal more comfortable?

Thanks!
Emily
 

Dimidiata

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All i can help with is this; When you move to pick her up, dont go from above her, try to go under her. It works much much better with these guys. Her attitude sound adaquate :p. I would start looking for a larger tank however, and doing research before general inexperince takes another life. Im sure justin will be on this thread in no time, hes much more experinced with these guys.
 

Emily

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With all due respect, general inexperience will not be "taking another life" as I am doing everything I can to keep this gal happy and healthy (obviously, or I would not have posted here or done any research besides plunking her down in my Leo tank).

Regardless, I don't pick her up from above, as this is obviously predatory and would trigger a more intense fear/aggression response.

She will definitely be getting a bigger tank as she gets larger. Right she seems content to sit on her cork board and send murderous gecko thoughts my way =)
 

marauderhex

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Hola, welcome to the wonderful world of Gekko geckos. First and foremost, give her at least a few weeks to acclimate to her new environment. You can open the enclosure for feeding, cleaning, and misting, but don't remove her from the enclosure unless you absolutely have to. Another thing that'll help her feel secure is that you can cover multiple sides of her enclosure. It makes the whole thing seem like one big hide. When I had to remove Galactus for cleaning, before she got acclimated to me, I would give her a shoebox to climb into that way you dont have to directly touch her. She will start climbing when she is ready. Check out my thread called Who Says You Can't Train Evil. The lid won't hurt her feet, but I'd recommend getting a front opening enclosure as soon as you can afford one. One like this works great (Exo Terra Natural Terrarium Medium/Tall
60 x 45 x 60 cm / 24” x 18” x 24” (WxDxH)). I'd recommend getting lots of fake plants. My tokay loves to hide in those while she is climbing on the walls.
 

Emily

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Thank you for the responses!

She started climbing today (which I only noticed when I took her cork board out for cleaning and she landed on my head). She's not a huge fan of the camera and I'm avoiding stressing her out for now, so pictures will have to wait a little while. She is probably about 5" from nose to tail I would say.

I am going to get her new tank this weekend, along with some PVC pipe for her to hide in, new substrate, and lots and lots of fake plants for hiding and climbing!

She is a riot: loads of fun to watch and a very active little lizard (though when she bites it certainly packs a punch! Ouch!)
 

marauderhex

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Hahaha, I knew you'd love her once she settled in a bit. Fantastic lizards, I can't wait to get some more myself.
 

Emily

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I just got her all set up in her new space! So far, she is skeptical (and sitting in her box while occasionally glowering at me and barking), but I think she will like it! She's got lots of things to climb on, including a bunch of fake plants and a nice little cork board tube to chill out in. She's still eating like a horse (if horses ate crickets, of course). Here is a picture of her from this morning (don't worry, I was changing the substrate...she's not on bare tank!

Capo_again.jpg


Her name is Capo, by the way =)
 

Dimidiata

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That girl is not doing what she thinks shes doing, but that doesnt mean its the wrong way to do it. That would be Forced handling in order to get/make him 'acclimatized to human interaction' in the words of Justin. Her technique is good though, slow movments, do NOT pull away very fast and go from below.
 

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