Xanthic Diablo Blanco

[JME]

Here are a few pics of a male Xanthic DB:









You can click on the pics to enlarge.

 

[gage]

thats awsome did you hatch that your self

 

[JayLeo57]

whats xanthic mean?

 

[Crazygecko]

If I am correct I believe the xanthics have yellow or golden eyes. now it would be awesome to see that in a full eclipse form with full golden colored eye.

 

[paulnj]

nice blazing blizzard , but a DB has the eclipse gene and that has no eclipse gene eyes.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Very true. Sorry if I am missing something, but I do not see anything that would make this an "xanthic" either.

 

[paulnj]

Admittedly, I am lost with some of RT's explainations of some of the crosses he named, so maybe an "axanthic" DB doesn't need to have eclipse eyes???

 

[JME]

Here's an e-mail that I sent to Ron after receiving this gecko. I bought a large group of morphs from him in exchange for him allowing me to purchase a male "xanthinc DB." Here's my response to Ron after receiving it:

My concern is that I cannot tell the difference between a blazing blizzard and the xanthic DB male (or the yellow eyed hatchlings). The eyes appear almost identical. What’s the difference between them? As I put these animals in breeding groups I’d hate to think I was pairing an xanthic DB with a red-eyed DB when in fact I’m just pairing a blazing blizzard with a DB and creating hets for DB."

Here are a series of responses from Ron:

"they need to be around 6" to sort things out.
at that size you can see if the eyes are red or marbled or yellow.
Once the geckos get big the eye color can darken to a point that you can't tell much at all."

"Xanthics:
Some thoughts that pertain to such a project.
As you know, the xanthic is a very new genetic item.
As with all new projects and genes it takes 1-2 years to
sort out the best geckos and refine the mutation.
By buying the only male xanthic project gecko I have let out,
you are just one step behind me with results.
As for the potential xanthic young.........you will want to label
and holdback the ones that have a nice yellow body color over the white
and that show the yellow eyes at that 6" size I discussed yesterday.
These will be the geckos to breed back to your male, so make the young
to be females.
The yellow eyes at 6" tend to fade by adulthood at this stage of improving the
xanthics.
This procedure is what I am doing."

"Like I said, it is determined at 6".
Once they get older the eye color shifts and then it may be very hard to see.
the body color, eye color and parents of your male determined its designation as a xanthic.
That male you received is the only one like that I have let out.
It is possible that you could make a banana raptor from the breeding, too, but that is
another story."


Any comments? I paid a nice chunk of change for this guy. Thanks.

 

[JME]

A few hatchlings from crossing him with a red-eyed DB.

Did I spend a fortune on a blazing blizzard or is there something to this xanthic thing? Thanks for your help.

 

[paulnj]

All those hatchlings look to be far more than just a BB to me and you definately have DB in there.

Thanks for that info exchange. Getting in early is always a fun thing, but a risk at times. Enjoy that project and don't look back.

BTW, what was the percentage of DB and "xanthic" from that cross? Did any non DB/xanthic pop out?

 

[supperl]

at least it looks like the offsprings were all a combo from Blizzard and Aptor/Raptor.
Some of them have the Eclipse eyes some of them not. Question is, will you have a few yellow eyed at 6" lenght and than I would say you know more.
If so it´´s just great you would have a xhantics breeding groupe but from the reading it´´s a hard morph(loosing eye colour with aging and so on).
All in all a cool story your one of the first!

 

[Halley]

Admittedly, I am lost with some of RT's explanations of some of the crosses he named, so maybe an "axanthic" DB doesn't need to have eclipse eyes???

http://www.leopardgecko.com/diabloblancos.html

From the looks of it the Xanthic eye almost eliminates the eclipse eye. I don’t know if it would even be possible to get a solid yellow eye? I guess more work needs to be done with this morphs to really sort things out.

The majority of those hatchlings eyes look different to me as well; I would say you and RT are onto something here. Keep us updated on these little ones for sure.

 

[godzillizard]

I was under the impression that the extra yellow in some of the Blazings from the Diablo project was an effect of the tangerine traits from the Raptor code amplifying the frosting in the blizzard? I know with the Ember project; the TPAs from the double het breedings turned out way nicer (more rich yellow/orange) than normal TPAs--they are gorgeous!

 

[Geckoreo]

I think Ron Tremper is a marketing genius.

 

[JME]

I think Ron Tremper is a marketing genius.

He is, no doubt about. I received your PM and you're correct, it's very difficult to tell the difference between the eyes on this xanthic male compared to a blazing blizzard. However, the offspring are completely different than what you'd get from breeding a blazing blizzard.

The pictures of the hatchlings that I posted are old. I have about 6 additional hatchlings now and the the others are a few months older. I'll post some pics today.

Thanks for all of the input. I've bred monitors and Cyclura in the past and gecko morphs are new to me. All comments are greatly appreciated as I'm a newbie when it comes to understanding gecko genetics.

 

[Crazygecko]

I am curious, am I right to asume that a DB x DB would produce all DBs? With the one exception being the rare xanthic popping out ?

 

[David Loftin]

Weird.. Thanks for sharing this information and pictures to show exactly what you were talking about.

 

[gage]

so it isnt just a bb it is a axanthic

 

[Ian S.]

I..I...I'm lost:main_robin:
Beautiful geckos!

 

[godzillizard]

it's what he's calling a "xanthic" which means more than the average amount of yellow. An axanthic would be like the SS or Mack snow hatchlings...a mutation showing reduced or no yellow.

I am curious, am I right to asume that a DB x DB would produce all DBs?

not exactly, it would give you all Blazing blizzards carrying Raptor code, but some would not just be 'hets', they'd also express the Raptor eyes.