09 market prices
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Zynx_Keekeio
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I think something on the price of tangerines, carrot tails, SHTCTB will change somehow
and I think the price of novas and creamsicles or dreamsicles (which ever I can't remember) will go down significantly
Just in the one year I've been around geckos I've seen a change in prices, between enigmas and blizzards and everything in between oh like the BBB, how is that project going
and I think the price of novas and creamsicles or dreamsicles (which ever I can't remember) will go down significantly
Just in the one year I've been around geckos I've seen a change in prices, between enigmas and blizzards and everything in between oh like the BBB, how is that project going
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Depends upon ease and speed of morph rerproduction. Most things drop. Most line bred items drop relatively slower. Sometimes, people will offer individuals of higher quality despite the requisite genetics for a particular morph. Sometimes, people will claim such but really not be offering much better than the next breeder. Also, while I notice a number of breeders hate this and try to claim superior quality in spite of this fact, it's really not that hard for a person to buy high-end breeders and sell high-quality offspring for low-quality prices for various reasons. It's all quite variable, but the customers drive the price in an overall sense. It's all about market demand. Supply is no bottleneck in most cases. People can charge heaps for BBBs and BPAs if they want because of their scarcity, but many people whipped up Enigma RAPTORs this year, so that's how it goes. Look at Diablo Blancos. Dirt cheap these days outside of exceptional ones or ones with special bells and whistles (such as Giant versions). Such are economics.
You want to create stability? Line breeding for superior individuals. Making polygenic combo morphs that are difficult to reproduce without years of work. Only release females. Do not drop prices due to slow sales. Do not overproduce because $1000 x 10 is good but you imagine $1000 x 100 is going to work out better. That just drops demand as you pass the point of diminishing returns. Of course, the guy (or gal) who smashes it all by using expensive groups to flood the market with the same thing for much less than was paid (and making an initial killing via enhanced volume) can just cut your well laid plans out from under you. You cannot control that. People are too interested in instant gratification to restrain themselves from acting that way for a short-term boost.
Tough cookies, though. I see breeders getting snotty about Joey Noname selling his Crimson Crossfire Quasars (whatever) for waaay less than those better known breeders do, but that's his choice and his quality does not suffer for it. It's actually amusing to sit back and watch from a psychological perspective. Likewise, some folks are very kind and supportive about Big Chain Store purchases, while others seem to get some serious denial and/or jealousy going when a kid picks up something really special from the bargain bin that managed to slip by the producer. If the same gecko was said to be from a new XYZ123 cross, the same naysayers would be fawning all over it with banal comments about sending their addresses and so forth. The truth is most pet store geckos are decent pets and little more, sometimes hiding genetic secrets undiscovered. A small minority of times, though, a really cool animal slips through the cracks and makes it to a Smart mart or a place Where the Pets Go due to the simple fact that the handful of *truly* big breeders out there do not have the resources to grow out every hatchling they produce. Such is mass supply. That's enough of a tangential matter, though. paragraphs one and two cover stuff pretty well.
You want to create stability? Line breeding for superior individuals. Making polygenic combo morphs that are difficult to reproduce without years of work. Only release females. Do not drop prices due to slow sales. Do not overproduce because $1000 x 10 is good but you imagine $1000 x 100 is going to work out better. That just drops demand as you pass the point of diminishing returns. Of course, the guy (or gal) who smashes it all by using expensive groups to flood the market with the same thing for much less than was paid (and making an initial killing via enhanced volume) can just cut your well laid plans out from under you. You cannot control that. People are too interested in instant gratification to restrain themselves from acting that way for a short-term boost.
Tough cookies, though. I see breeders getting snotty about Joey Noname selling his Crimson Crossfire Quasars (whatever) for waaay less than those better known breeders do, but that's his choice and his quality does not suffer for it. It's actually amusing to sit back and watch from a psychological perspective. Likewise, some folks are very kind and supportive about Big Chain Store purchases, while others seem to get some serious denial and/or jealousy going when a kid picks up something really special from the bargain bin that managed to slip by the producer. If the same gecko was said to be from a new XYZ123 cross, the same naysayers would be fawning all over it with banal comments about sending their addresses and so forth. The truth is most pet store geckos are decent pets and little more, sometimes hiding genetic secrets undiscovered. A small minority of times, though, a really cool animal slips through the cracks and makes it to a Smart mart or a place Where the Pets Go due to the simple fact that the handful of *truly* big breeders out there do not have the resources to grow out every hatchling they produce. Such is mass supply. That's enough of a tangential matter, though. paragraphs one and two cover stuff pretty well.
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i would go out on a limb and say if anything they will "regain" popularity and rise abit.
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Prices have already dropped significantly on leos and all reptiles. Things are very slow now with all businesses. People are losing their jobs and trying to just survive. There are a lot of nice leos for reasonable prices now and they just are not selling. Hope this economy turns around soon. Yikes!
Agreed depending on quALITY, although can they get more popular. I c leos as the face of the hobby sometimes
Zynx_Keekeio
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that was what I was thinking as well
One of the other issues, not mentioned, Is there are way more leo breeders then ever before. joe shmo and his buddys get a colony breed the heck out of them, dont make a mint, and fire sale the collection. I have absolultely no issues with people breeding anything they want, but that is the cold hard truth. There are many more breeders and many more leos. Thus a flooded market....mixed with a recession..Equals lower prices Plan and simple
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Certainly. Every dude and his brother has jumped into breeding. Sometimes with strategy. Mostly without.
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There are pros and cons to that. I prefer market self-regulation, personally, but a minimum license for a moderate fee could help deter some jokers.
Still, enforcing it with the number of people who can just add gecko one to gecko two and make and sell whatever nearly wherever is impossible, so that might only end up hurting the folks who abide by any such regulation.
I think we should just do what we believe is right and be less concerned with others. Don't like what others do? Don't support them. Instead, lead by example, taking whatever positive and negative fallout occurs due to that.
A lot of people whine and complain, too. Meaningless pity parties that change nothing. We each make our choices and then reap the consequences. If we want different consequences, we can make different choices. No victim mentality and maintaining an internal locus of control for fostering such a perspective differentiates between the people who rise and the people who watch them rise.
agreed, it is just such a shame to see great looking animals lose so much value due ot mass production and low end breeders that some kind of governing can hopefully make a difference, i mean it just doesn't seem right to see triple recessive combo morphs go for little a lil over a year later!!
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Oh please no, anything but that! I don't want Obama regulating gecko prices. :main_no:
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