1st Enigmas hatched

[OhioGecko]

Here are our first Enigmas.
Do these look like standard het bell Eningma?

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Mom - Bell
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Pops -Enigma no hets
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[Halley]

If mom is a bell, and dad is an enigma, then they have to be enigmas, het bells. Other than enigma, you will just get normal, het bells.

And congrats on these two!!!!!

 

[Kristi23]

Congrats!

 

[efx*]

Very nice!!

 

[OhioGecko]

Thanks, I just haven't seen any normal enigmas that looked liked these. I know the Enigmas differ greatly on their looks. Thanks again.

 

[NyxsMomma]

I just think they are awesome looking. Still earning about morphs and such.

 

[Mel&Keith]

If you've test bred the male to know that he's not het for anything then they would be Enigmas het Bell. We have a male that looks identical to that one who proved out to be het Bell and Tremper but he was originally just sold as an Enigma.

 

[OhioGecko]

If you've test bred the male to know that he's not het for anything then they would be Enigmas het Bell. We have a male that looks identical to that one who proved out to be het Bell and Tremper but he was originally just sold as an Enigma.

We just got the male in April and the person we got him from hadn't hatched any eggs yet. He did get the leo from kelli and sent me the original photo and ad. It just said Enigma. I imagine he could be het for something because the leo hasn't been proven yet. We did breed him with bell and tremper females so we should find out as more eggs hatch. The first 5 hatchlings were all normals, these were the last 2 hatchlings.

I'm curious to know if other enigma het bell hatchlings look like these?

 

[Mel&Keith]

Even if it was from Kelli it could have been one of the ones she sold for Mark. It'll be interesting to see how the other pairings turn out. They look fairly similar to the Enigmas het Bell we hatched yesterday. link to photo

 

[elphani]

I think they look kind of ''snowish'' ... or is it just the light :main_huh:

Congrats!

 

[OhioGecko]

I think they look kind of ''snowish'' ... or is it just the light :main_huh:

Congrats!

That is what I thought. The pic above is actually 4 days after they were hatched. When they hatched they did not have any yellow on them. Here is an updated pics from tonight, two days later or 6 days old.

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Mel & Keith, your pics look similiar to other het bell hatchlings I have seen on the web. They definately have more orange in them then ours display. Looks like we will see after we hatch more eggs.

On a side note, I'm starting to wonder if maybe I miss named our Enigma x Tangerine hatchlings. Does anyone have pics of tangerine enigma hatchlings?

 

[Mel&Keith]

It could be that you're getting the really pale coloration since your Bell is very pale. The the parents of the ones I linked to were both fairly orange (Reed and Amber on our Collection page). The more banded one definitely has less yellow. Could the Bell be a Snow Bell?

 

[OhioGecko]

It was sold as a bell non het, but I think it could be possibly a snow bell. I think she does look light for a bell also. I could pair her up with our Snow ghost male and see what happens.

 

[OhioGecko]

It could be that you're getting the really pale coloration since your Bell is very pale. The the parents of the ones I linked to were both fairly orange (Reed and Amber on our Collection page). The more banded one definitely has less yellow. Could the Bell be a Snow Bell?

WOW, I just checked out your leos. They are amazing!!!!! I haven't checked out your updates in a while. My favorite is Thaddeus just for the name of course.

 

[OhioGecko]

OK, I found a pic that looks really similiar to these two. It is a Mack Snow Enigma. Tell me what you think?

http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Mackenigma1.jpg

 

[goReptiles]

do you have updated pictures of the two?

I'd say they're pale because both parents are pale. I wouldn't classify them as macks. Just my 2 cents.

 

[OhioGecko]

do you have updated pictures of the two?

I'd say they're pale because both parents are pale. I wouldn't classify them as macks. Just my 2 cents.

Here is an updated picture as of today. They are almost a month old now. Tell me what you think. The bottom leo is showing signs of shed therefore a little duller then the top one.
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[goReptiles]

I'd have to say no mack, just regular enigmas.

I noticed that you said that Mel's hatchlings look like other hets you've seen; there's no way to determine het by looking at the gecko, so I'm not really sure what you meant by that. Plus, enigmas are variable and a non-het may look just like a het (same with any other morph).

 

[OhioGecko]

I'd have to say no mack, just regular enigmas.

I noticed that you said that Mel's hatchlings look like other hets you've seen; there's no way to determine het by looking at the gecko, so I'm not really sure what you meant by that. Plus, enigmas are variable and a non-het may look just like a het (same with any other morph).

I'm only going on with what I have seen by doing some searching on Enigmas. I didn't have a lot to compare to but at the time of these first photos they definately looked like the link I provided early in the thread. I looked at 10 or so het bells and they all had more orange in them, but I agree with you there is no way of telling hets by looking at them. In my search I could not find a single normal though that was washed out like these two.

I still think they look alot like A&M's snow. Here is an updated link of theirs as an adult: http://www.amgecko.com/images/breeders/enigma/Enigma%20mack%20snow.JPG

We are going to have to prove these out with a snow bell and super snow mates to find out if they are or they aren't. These Enigmas really make the genetics interesting!

 

[goReptiles]

I've seen pale/washed out normal enigmas. It's all in what they're bred to. IE bright breeders equal typically bright offspring and vice versa pale/washed out (non snow) typically get washed out/pale offspring.

They just look a little dark to be mack. I think it will be slightly hard to prove them out, as if you breed with a snow you'll more than likely get some snows, at least that's what I've seen with my own snows. (breed a snow with a non and get a few snows anyway).

If they are snow it's probably from the mama, as she looks a little light. But I think they're just normal het for bell enigmas.