a new kind of dreamsickle???

[bdevillier19]

i was wondering what the out come would be if you were to breed a sunglow raptor to a super snow enigma het raptor? i know all the babies would have varying degree of orange to them but what i really want to know is what would a sunglow dreamsickle mix look like. i know my sunglow enigma is just blinding bright and was wondering if by breeding in the super hypo gene it would make the orange on the dreamsickle even brighter?

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

That would work very similar to Creamsicles. You would have to put in a few years for the color to really collaborate with the Mack Snow. You would have a lot of first gen for that projects though. You may get some Dreamsickles that have some nice color to it...but I would not call it a Sunglow Dreamsiclkle for a couple generations. You will see the quality of the snow/sunglow crossing in all of the non enigma babies...base your progress off of them not the enigmas (since it has such a play with color anyways).

 

[cassadaga]

You will see the quality of the snow/sunglow crossing in all of the non enigma babies...base your progress off of them not the enigmas (since it has such a play with color anyways).

This is excellent advice, I'm glad you included that.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Yea...I see this project as being very similar to my Creamsicles. The enigmas can pop out with some killer color but if the non enigmas are not duplicating that same color then I know I'm not there yet.

bdevillier19 - PM me if you want some personal advice and tips on this project. I have something underway which may be of interest for you.

 

[Gazz]

[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo patternless stiped tangerine X [1C]Super snow enigma HET Talbino,Eclipse eye = .

Snow SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
Eclipse eye snow SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
Talbino snow SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
Talbino eclipse eye SPLIT Super snow.
Snow aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
Eclipse eye snow aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
Talbino snow aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
Talbino eclipse eye aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
Snow hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
Eclipse eye snow hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
Talbino snow hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
Talbino eclipse eye hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
Snow striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
Eclipse eye snow striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
Talbino snow striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
Talbino eclipse eye striped SPLIT Super snow.
Snow reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
Eclipse eye snow reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
Talbino snow reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
Talbino eclipse eye reverse striped SPLIT Super snow.
Snow patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
Eclipse eye snow patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
Talbino snow patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
Talbino eclipse eye patternless striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow hypo SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow hypo aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow hypo hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow hypo striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow hypo reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo reverse striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow hypo patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo patternless striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow.

A percentage of offspring will be influance by Tangerine.
==========

[2C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo patternless stiped tangerine X [1C]Super snow enigma HET Talbino,Eclipse eye = .

[1C]Snow hypo SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow hypo aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow hypo hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow hypo striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow hypo reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo reverse striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow hypo patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow hypo patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow hypo patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo patternless striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow.

A percentage of offspring will be influance by Tangerine.
==========

[1C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo patternless stiped tangerine X [2C]Super snow enigma HET Talbino,Eclipse eye = .

[1C]Snow enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1C]Snow enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1C]Eclipse eye snow enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1C]Talbino snow enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1C]Talbino eclipse eye enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow.

A percentage of offspring will be influance by Tangerine.
==========

[2C]Talbino eclipse eye hypo patternless stiped tangerine X [2C]Super snow enigma HET Talbino,Eclipse eye = .

[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma hyper aberrant SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma reverse striped SPLIT Super snow.
[1CH,1CE]Snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino,Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Eclipse eye snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Talbino.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino snow hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow/HET Eclipse eye.
[1CH,1CE]Talbino eclipse eye hypo enigma patternless striped SPLIT Super snow.

A percentage of offspring will be influance by Tangerine.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Gazz they were not asking for every possible genetic possibility. They were wondering if a Sunglow Dreamsickle would be a new morph. That genetic is rather ridiculous in my opinion...how would you ever know which one the gecko is?

 

[robin]

holy crap!

 

[bdevillier19]

thanks for the info travis or jenn
thats what i was kind of thinking it would be. so if you based it off the non-enigma then i guess it would be more along the lines of a creamsickle raptor then?

 

[Taquiq]

holy crap!

I know! :main_rolleyes:

 

[bdevillier19]

yeah gazz just about made my head explode with that one!

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

yeah gazz just about made my head explode with that one!

Haha yea I think thats true for all of us.

As far as it being a creamsicle raptor...thats in essence what it would be but I dont know what crazy names people will come up with for that morph.

 

[cassadaga]

Cream Dream, haha. Atleast the Enigma version.

 

[Tony C]

......

Please take the time to format your genetics posts into something readable, a long list of nonsense from a genetic calculator does not help anyone.

 

[Gazz]

Please take the time to format your genetics posts into something readable, a long list of nonsense from a genetic calculator does not help anyone.

I don't use a genetic calculator:main_thumbsup:.

 

[Mel&Keith]

Gazz, the point is that you make our eyes bleed sometimes! There has to be an easier to read way of posting all that info. lol

 

[Gazz]

Gazz, the point is that you make our eyes bleed sometimes! There has to be an easier to read way of posting all that info. lol

Yep! there is Leopard gecko X Leopard gecko = Leopard geckos :main_thumbsup:.

 

[Mel&Keith]

See, that's WAY better!

 

[ddkgeckos]

As far as it being a creamsicle raptor...thats in essence what it would be but I dont know what crazy names people will come up with for that morph.

Its pretty odvious really it should be called a CRAPTOR..

 

[bdevillier19]

^^ thats a good one :main_laugh:

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

The Craptor is what JMG was going to call the first Mack Raptor (Codom + Raptor = Craptor).