Accidental Hatchlings :)

[STUTFL]

that would be pretty cool thing to do... or even if you had a non corprait pet store in your area... give them to them and they could offer at a much disconted price with set up for kids who may not be able to afford one other wise... or something... *shrug* seems better than feeding.... but then again i do eat chicken eggs...

Well, just for the record, store-bought chicken eggs ain't fertilized either.

 

[lillith]

I can see it from these different sides, but what I'm wondering is, why put your female through that year after year? It has to be kinda hard on her by now?
I know they've been together all that time, but I would worry eventually about the female getting hurt...I know you can have healthy layers into her age range, but she's getting to be late 40s in gecko years. It can be done, but it's riskier...but, just like with people, entirely up to those involved only.

In any case, I'm glad you're technically not tossing the eggs, making some use of them. (Although I doubt it's something I'd do.)

Your hatchlings are adorable though! They are a perfect example of why we have that new adoption forum.

 

[TheVirus]

cwazy I live in Orange County NY.

Well, just for the record, store-bought chicken eggs ain't fertilized either.

Yes but any meat or fish was once a fertilized egg and living creature. Leos are not vegetarians, and eat living things. Unfertilized eggs (like chicken eggs) are not a healthy choice for reptiles. Fertilized eggs or whole prey items (the item in its entirety) are a much better choice. I believe part of good husbandry is mental enrichment. A fertilized egg once in a while is not only a healthy treat, but stimulates touch, taste, sight, and smell.

lillith,

I believe the ultimate goal for a reptile is reproduction. I'll allow her to reproduce (whether I cook the eggs or not) as long as she feels fit. Keeping a leo in a box or tank, with no purpose or nothing stimulating is like leaving it in a box with nothing but its heart beat. I like to allow for all basic life events. I try and create an environment that is based around natural/instinctual behaviours. I allow them to fulfill all their needs with in the enclosure. I only have to add to the enclosure. I never have to remove my animals in order to fulfill a need. All basic life events are allowed (and can) take place with in the enclosure.

Tim

 

[TheVirus]

Heres the pics of the enclosure

Heres a pic of the newest baby I found (last week).
How long does it take a hatchling to get to 4 1/2 inches?

 

[Zynx_Keekeio]

i'd say at least 3 weeks-2 months by what i've seen which isn't much

 

[lillith]

Quote:
I'll allow her to reproduce (whether I cook the eggs or not) as long as she feels fit.

That there, is enormously reassuring to hear...even though it ain't my geckos. I totally dig the whole enrichment/companionship deal (I keep digging-in-the-dirt boxes for my geckos, I give them "playtime" together, I just don't house together 24/7 - I can't keep that many bebes!). I would just worry if she started showing ill health and was still allowed to keep breeding. You seem to have taken the zoological approach, literally.
I hope I didn't come across judgementally, I try really really hard not to.

Sometimes it's difficult to tell what people know and are doing with their critters. I've seen too many Craigslist postings like, "we have 3 males in a 20G tank and they keep fighting, adopting out ASAP, must take all" sort of thing.

I'm glad you have them in an environment that lets them live fulfilled little gecko lives.

 

[cwazy]

sometimes store bought chicken eggs are fertil.... thats what your lil blood spot in them... it happens... :main_rolleyes:

anywho... NY isnt to far from Maine right? lets fanagle a trip :main_thumbsup: :main_laugh:

 

[TheVirus]

Hey lillith,

I wrote you a response yesterday and posted pics, but the site told me to go clean some cages So I'm re-writing it today.

I totally understand that many people come on leo forums with no clue on husbandry techniques, and very little experience. That why I felt you deserved an explanation. I didn't feel attacked at all. I understand why you posted

Just for some further reassurance, heres some pics of some of my other lizards (I hope you don't have dial up!)

I have more lizards, but thats all I have pics of

Tim

 

[mynewturtle]

I like your method of housing. :main_thumbsup: I am curious though how is the humidity kept to hatch these babies?

 

[TheVirus]

I add water to the dirt. Enough to make the dirt able to hold a burrow, but not too much were the dirt gets mucky. The dirt under the boards stay moist longer, because of the limited air flow there. Its under there, where the female buries her eggs.

 

[Juniorbat]

i like those monitors

 

[laughing dog]

im interested at what temps your burrow is at, as i might be interested in what morgh that baby is, and how much itd be to ship to Morristown, TN.?

 

[TheVirus]

If your talking about the leo baby, then I'm so sorry but I gave it to a friend. I'm trying to get her to sign up to this forum so......Janie, if your reading this...sign up

The leos are normals. The first accidental baby is developing a white stripe down its spine. The #2 baby has weird markings as well. Neither looks like their parents.

I'm not sure what the incubation temps were. I'll have to dig to the approx. area and take measurements.

Tim

 

[liljenn]

So you just throw the eggs out even though they may be fertile? I'm sorry but that seems kinda mean to me, JUST MY OPINION. If you dont want eggs then you should seperate them, but hey, their your leos not mine, so of corse you can do whatever you want...

+ 1

and Lillith's remarks +1

....all I have to say ....for the sake of the TOS....:main_no:

 

[TheVirus]

-2 to liljenn for her completely unnecessary and totally noncontributing post:main_thumbsup:

 

[yellermelon]

Why would you keep them together if you didnt want the eggs....just separate them,,

 

[Allee Toler]

He explained why. For them to continue to fulfill their natural instincts. All animals have a need to reproduce. His enclosure is set up so that anything that would happen naturally in the wild would happen in his enclosure.

Plus he uses the eggs for feed, which is something other lizards in the wild eat. It's not uncommon for a reptile to eat another reptiles eggs, same with birds and fish.

 

[yellermelon]

The post I made was unnecessary so i am changing it to this

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

It appears that this gent knows a thing or two about what he is doing so i say as long as there are no physical or mental issues associated to what he is doing then more power to him.

at least he's enjoying his animals they way he wants.