AFT x Leo

[syntheticreality]

There are many scientific studies involving pig organs being transplanted in to humans because some of the organs are very similar. Just because certain animals have many similar characteristics (even genetically) doesn't mean that they can be bred together.

Jason, could you mate with a pig and create viable offspring?

not sure... but I don't want to try it

jk... good point though

 

[Gazz]

I've been breeding geckos for 13 years, and people have been trying to cross Leopard Geckos and AFT's forever.... without success. Why??? Because they are completely separate species! They come from totally opposite hemispheres... one from the mountainous deserts of the Middle East, and one from the sub-tropical areas of Africa. They may look similar, but they are genetically VERY different.

They are only very differant coz we man lable them as being so that doesn't mean point blank they won't click.However there's no point in doing it IMO.But never say never countless animals have been hybridized,fish,mammals,birds,and reptiles.The thing is somtimes it is the fact that they do come from differant places in the world that somtimes can be the reason that makes them click.Coz though they are differant speices they may have develope similer and the leo and the fattail though differant speices they share a ancester so also share so genetic info from way back.The thing with reptile hybrids and quite a couple other animal is you usually have to trick them into hybriding with there NOT the same speices mate.I don't know how anyone can say it'll never happen with leo X fattail fair do's it may not but when man has bred the Cali-king X corn snake,ball python X blood python,ball python X burmese python,capet python X green python,blue tongue skink X shingleback skink,creasted gecko X gargoyle gecko,'etc'etc'etc just to name some of them.Donkey x horse,donkey X zebra,zebra x horse,lion x tiger,african elephant x indian elephant,camel x llama,jungle fowl x pheasant fowl,pea fowl x guinea fowl,cockatoo x cockatiel,And on and on the list goes on.And a lot of these live 1000's on mile apart.So never say never but do ask your self why ??.

 

[syntheticreality]

well I agree with what you said, and I stated this before. They are different genus because WE named them as such. They could share the same ancestry and have evolved in their surroundings.

As for why? Because if nothing bad comes of it, why not see what happens? If you breed a healthy creature that does not suffer do to its complex hybridized genetic makeup and you have the possibility of getting something good out of it, then why not?

Chances are I will never do it. I merely began this inquiry out of curiosity AND because someone else told me it COULD be done.

 

[goReptiles]

ALL human beings are from the same specie: Homosapien. Leopard Geckos and African Fat-tail geckos are NOT the same specie of geckos. There are hundreds of geckos species.

For example, the Spider Monkey is from the rainforests of Central and South America. The Colobus Monkey is from Central Africa. They are both monkeys (primates), but they are different species. Their genetics are very different, and they will not cross.

I was wondering if anyone was going to pick up on that. Good goin Marcia.

Humans coming from different areas of the world is not the best example you could give. We're all the same species and have the same genes and basic DNA. We just adapted to our environments differently.

well I agree with what you said, and I stated this before. They are different genus because WE named them as such. They could share the same ancestry and have evolved in their surroundings.

Yes, we named it what species, but we also named other species, and time has proven that they can't produce viable offspring. So what's the point?

As for why? Because if nothing bad comes of it, why not see what happens? If you breed a healthy creature that does not suffer do to its complex hybridized genetic makeup and you have the possibility of getting something good out of it, then why not?

There's no point to do it. If you're not going to produce fertile offspring, why put the geckos through the stress. They can't cohabitate, so you would get a gecko that probably has a lot of health concerns, if it makes it at all.

You're breeding a desset reptile to a semi-jungle reptile... How would you house what offspring survived?

Chances are I will never do it. I merely began this inquiry out of curiosity AND because someone else told me it COULD be done.

I've never heard that it could be done. Every place that I've seen talk about it, says nope.

 

[Gecko]

The locations don't matter, even the habitat doesn't . What ultimately matters is genetic compatability. For instance if the sperm can't get into the egg or if some genes conflict or cause some fatal development at some point that will make things incompatable. While time since divergence is a good marker it isn't always. It's possible for what we call subspecies to be genetically incompatable and in other cases you might even see intergeneric crosses.

The thing is though enough people have tried that it's probably safe to assume Fat tails and Leopard geckos don't produce viable offspring.

 

[lepgeckosrock]

To me it would be like trying to breed a cat to a dog they are both mamels but come on that is really where it stops they are somewhat genetically the same but different enough to not make it very viable. Using people of different race to compare this to is a little off if you are looking at the breeding of people of different race that would fall into the catagory of breeding a jungle leo to a carrot tail or a red stripe to a patternless.

 

[Ccrashca069]

There are some pretty cool hybrids out there. Rootbeer cornsnake being one of them but I don't think you can cross a AFT with a leopard. AFT's like high humidity and leos like low- mid humidity. If one was to exist I think it would be one messed up gecko with skin issues and possibility respertory issues as well. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Gazz]

To me it would be like trying to breed a cat to a dog they are both mamels but come on that is really where it stops they are somewhat genetically the same but different enough to not make it very viable. Using people of different race to compare this to is a little off if you are looking at the breeding of people of different race that would fall into the catagory of breeding a jungle leo to a carrot tail or a red stripe to a patternless.

Dog and a cat are both mammals but totally differant speices by miles that's not a good example.Leo's and fattail first are both reptile then they are gecko's.

Wolf's and Dingo's first are mammals then K9's breeding these would give offspring these would be hybrids as they have differant latin names.

Lion and Tiger first are mammals first then felines breeding these would give offspring these would be hybrids as they have differant latin names.

A good example of a cat hybrid that no one seems bothered about is in are pet moggy's all of them till the past 20 year was strain of one breed and it's ancester being the African wild cat-(felis silvestris lybica).BUT there is new blood now creeping into are moggy's breeds from the Asian leopard cat-(felis bengalensis) vier the bengal cat.So are moggy's breeds are no longer strains of a breed but are slowly becoming real full blown HYBRID's.If a bengal bred with a siamese,American shorthair,british shorthair,birman,rex,mau,ragdoll,persian'etc'etc they would not be basic ally pet cat's the offsping would in truth be hybrids.

 

[Gazz]

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[Gazz]

I don't think you can cross a AFT with a leopard. AFT's like high humidity and leos like low- mid humidity. If one was to exist I think it would be one messed up gecko with skin issues and possibility respertory issues as well. Just my 2 cents.

Bloodball's/superball's do ok :main_thumbsup: Reptiles live where they live but that doesn't mean they can't change there ways.Alot of amimals have to or they die out.For all life it's adaped ot die.

Ballpython AFRICA-(Prefers grasslands, savannahs and sparsly wooded areas).

Bloodpython SOUTHEAST ASIA-(Occurs in rainforests where it is found in marshes, swamps and along river banks and streams).

And no one had issues with the bloodball/superball as far as i'm aware.

 

[HepCatMoe]

and now, THE FINAL WORD!!!

seriously though, here is the deal on your "black people are from africa and they can still mate with chinese people" argument.

humans did not leave africa untill 40,000 years ago. that is very recent in evolutionary terms. in fact, right before the stone age scientists think humans almost went exticnt and our population was down to about 2000 people!!

what does that mean? it means we are all very VERY closely related. yes we have evolved a little since then, but in very minor ways.

now geckos on the other hand are one of the oldest families out there. geckos have been around forever! reptiles are older than mammels by far, and geckos are one of the oldest reptile familys. if you look at their body type, they still look a lot like salamanders and newts, some of the first land animals.

also, geckos cant move from continent to continent like people do. a natural barrier that would mean nothing to us (like a river) can stop entire species from spreading past it. can you imagine geckos crossing snowy mountain passes or swimming across the mississippi?

aft and leapards have most likely been seperated for *millions* of years. a lot of evolution that took place you can not see, becuase it happens to internal organs and on the cellular level.

so can you breed aft's and leapards?

many many people have tried, it has not worked. it could still possibly happen, but even if you got eggs they would probably not be good. if they did hatch the gecko would probably be infertile.

lots of "probablys" but thats really the best answer any body can give you.

 

[goReptiles]

I think the only way that would work if it was proven that the AFT and leopard gecko were once the same species that when the continents split they were separated and formed different characteristics. But I doubt that was the case since they have slightly different cellular structures.

 

[Rejoice in the Lord]

. . . or when God created each different animal to reproduce after it's kind, He created the leopard gecko and the AFT as different kinds, and therefore they are not able to crossbreed.

 

[Gazz]

. . . or when God created each different animal to reproduce after it's kind, He created the leopard gecko and the AFT as different kinds, and therefore they are not able to crossbreed.

Well god forgot to tell that to.

Shingleback skink & Eastern blue tonge skink.These couldn't be even more apart if you tryed.SBS breed evey second year only having 1 large offspring 2 if youur lucky.BTS very esay breed every year having up to 15 offspring.
http://www.captivebred.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52510&highlight=#52510

Ball python & blood python.
http://www.roussisreptiles.com/collectionpages/balls/super.html

Plus
Life is never that cut and dry.

 

[Gazz]

Plus there are meny,meny more so leo X fat tail is far from it'll nerver happen.

 

[LadyGecko]

Now if this is true than that explains it.

But I still say there SHOULD be a way. Black people developed darker skin to survive the harsh sun on the african plains. Eskimos, over generations, built up tolerance to the cold. We look different and survive in different climates, but we are genetically similar.

I am not talking about crossing a chicken with a frog here. Maybe I am ignorant, but it seems more to me like crossing an english bulldog with a great dane. I suppose that this is more like the first due to the incompatibilities. I am guessing, however, that no scientific studies have really gone into really determining the genetic differences between them.

Black, white, hispanic, and asian people are all homo sapiens sapiens, I guess AFTs and Leos are totally different genus and species, but that all comes from the scientist who named them.

Sure-there would be one way to determine if they are compatible
In a lab-
Remove an ovum and some sperm from each type of lizard
Try and fertilize the egg with sperm and see if it takes
I believe that in vitro fertilization would answer this question once and for all but is there anyone qualified and that has the lab to do this?

What risk is there to a female with removing an egg follicle?
How easy would it be to get a semen sample from a male?

I see lots of variables even in doing it this way

I personally don't know what problems any resulting hatchlings could have with coming from 2 different climates but it seems to me that there would be some problems-maybe life threatening so that the offspring might hatch but not survive


I don't think that keeping a Leo and an AFT together is a good idea -for whatever purpose

just my .02
Sandy

 

[Stevie]

All these crossings are more exception than rule to my opinion. There are more species in the world that won't hybridise than species that will! Nice pics though, although I question the realness of some of some of them... Life remains a beautiful and mysterious thing isn't it?

Greets,

Stevie

 

[goReptiles]

You still must remember that the majority of the hybrids like the ones in the pictures have all been infertile.

 

[Double LY]

You still must remember that the majority of the hybrids like the ones in the pictures have all been infertile.

Another thing to note is that although crosses have been/are being done with reptiles, you can go to many forums that discuss how UNWANTED these hybrids are. Of course there will be a small market of individuals who want something unique (heck people are apparently still buying eyeless turtles), but the vast majority tend to disagree with things like the Ball/Burm, Ball/Blood, etc. Many times a negative light gets cast on the breeders as being out for a quick profit.

 

[Gazz]

You still must remember that the majority of the hybrids like the ones in the pictures have all been infertile.

You are right on that count the you are very unlikely to get offspring off a 50%/50% X 50%/50% hybrid but this is 99.99% of the time coz the male firing blanks.However females 50%/50% hybrids more often than not give offspring when bred back to a pure blood or a high percent hybrid of one of the speices it is hybridized from.

(M)50%/50% X (FM)50%50% = don't often give offspring usually coz of the the male.

(M)50%/50% X (FM)pure = very unlikely to give offspring.it depent on the male there often not futile.

(M)pure X (FM)50%/50% = very often results in fully fertile offspring.

(M)75%/25% X (FM)50%/50% = do often result in fetile offspring.
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