Albino x albinio = 3 non albino babies..

[im faster]

So you know the parents of the female I got from you her ID number is hyf13

yes yours are fine. they are from super hypo X for sure tremper

this girl had nothing to do with yours

 

[im faster]

Well a positive thing is she only produced 4 babies this year.. and is done laying eggs

 

[DoubleAGeckos]

I'm just checking I didn't breed her to an albino or anything. Thanks

 

[fuzzylogix]

it's definitely more the seller's fault than you, but a better understanding of albino phenotypes could have prevented this. i would be contacting the seller immediately to see what he will do to make this right. i would also check your other pairings to be sure you haven't made the same mistake. what you decide to do with the offspring is going to be hotly debated, but it's ultimately in your hands. for breeding ethics purposes, culling is probably your best bet. however, for personal ethics, if you decided to keep them all and never sell or rehome, you still have the choice of keeping them as pets.

 

[TokayKeeper]

Dennis...

I have to leave for work in 15 minutes and need to go clean some hides for new hatchlings sitting in the 'bator.

As mentioned already, you can cull them though honestly there's nothing wrong with them (well other than the Tremper albino allele each possess).

If it's not mentioned by the time I get home tonight, then I'll type up a reply of things you can do outside of culling. Culling might be the most responsible thing though. But I'll still type up some options.

 

[lillith]

Well, he could keep them until maturity and have them surgically sterilized...pricey and risky...but it is an option.

I do think Fuzzy's statement is more appropriately nuanced than mine... I had similar thoughts, but what happens down the road if for some reason he can't keep his geckos 10 years from now? It would be a case of cull now, or cull later. I know that's a hypothetical, but it crossed my mind.

I look forward to Tokay's post after work, too.

 

[ElapidSVT]

worst case scenario: the geckos outlive him and they end up in the general breeding population, unlabeled.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Without knowing who you got the parents from...

mom looks like a rainwater hybino...

Dad looks tremper-ish to me.

I was gonna say the exact same thing when I saw the OP's pictures. That female definitely looks like she could be a LV Hybino to me. :main_yes:

 

[im faster]

another point that sucks is they are possible giants..


im still decideing what to do.. they will not be sold thats for sure..

 

[KelliH]

PLEASE do not cull those babies. I would not do that and I consider myself to be a responsible breeder. None of us know exactly what genes our geckos carry unless we have personally been line breeding a specific group for many generations. When you purchase a gecko from someone else, they may be relying on what the seller of one of the parents of that gecko told them about it's genetics, and that person might not have known either. I just think that there is no reason to euthanize any baby leopard gecko unless it has severe deformities or is unable to survive on it's own, or if your colony is confirmed to be infected with crypto. Please don't take offense, it's only my opinion.

 

[im faster]

I will not kill them..

i will keep them for myself before i did that!!!

 

[KelliH]

OK, that's a relief to hear!

 

[im faster]

On a side not..
i have heard many times that crossing albino strains cause deformities.. weaker geckos and other negative physical effects..

these show NONE of any form..

so im wondering what the big deal is..
are they not het now for both rainwater and tremper?
if they are what is the negative side effect?
couldnt it be better? in they could be paired with either tremper or rw?


obviously i did not mean to do this.. now that i understand there is no physical negativities so far. what is the problem?

 

[contracteryin]

That seriously sucks :/
I would try and help but I don't really think I can, and it seems as if everyone else will/had told you what you can/should do. Best of luck.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

You may be able to adopt some out to local schools as classroom pets, with the understanding you would take them back if they ever need another home. You'll have plenty of clean babies soon, and in all honesty, I would at least consider tossing any other eggs cooking as well as others to be laid. This was an accidental situation and I'm sorry you have to deal with it.

On a happier note, the female is quite lovely and perhaps you could get her a new mate. I put males back in with the girls after every third clutch, or more if eggs aren't fertile. It's quite possible she can produce babies from a different male in the same season.

 

[im faster]

Good idea

 

[Thorgecko707]

That's a breeders worst nightmare.

 

[KelliH]

On a side not..
i have heard many times that crossing albino strains cause deformities.. weaker geckos and other negative physical effects..

these show NONE of any form..

so im wondering what the big deal is..
are they not het now for both rainwater and tremper?
if they are what is the negative side effect?
couldnt it be better? in they could be paired with either tremper or rw?


obviously i did not mean to do this.. now that i understand there is no physical negativities so far. what is the problem?

I've never heard that about the physical deformities. Did you get any specific description? There is some breeder in Canada that has some he's calling "Bubblegum Albinos" that are supposedly a mix of two of the Albino strains (cannot remember which ones). I'm not doubting what you heard at all, just would like to know more info, if you have it.

 

[Tony C]

If anything I would expect fewer genetic issues since you're pretty much guaranteed a very low degree of relatedness between individuals of different strains. It would be just as good as any other outcross.

 

[im faster]

I've never heard that about the physical deformities. Did you get any specific description? There is some breeder in Canada that has some he's calling "Bubblegum Albinos" that are supposedly a mix of two of the Albino strains (cannot remember which ones). I'm not doubting what you heard at all, just would like to know more info, if you have it.

No one I can remember in particular just when I started going to reptile shows and over hearing people talking