Are all APTORs 100% het RAPTOR？

[Vanckey]

Thank you all! Now i think the AP/RA traits re polygenic. Although Matt said
All true Aptors and "patternless stripes" are het Raptor, i never get RA from my AP group (from JMG) . I think it s not a easy thing just as double recessive.

 

[godzillizard]

nope, there are numerous contributing factors. Only the Tremper albino component is a mono recessive. The rest of the traits are polygenic. Plus, some pairings are just "hotter" than others...

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

COLOR is just about the only thing that is actually linebred in Leos. Just my opinion, but it is a strong one.


"Gene unlocker" refers to the interaction between this group of co-operating recessive genes.

I agree with Alberto, and SaSobek, on this. I created my own "PRS" at the same time as Alberto, using no R/Aptor genetics, and they proved to be "het Raptors" too. I also have never proven a "possible het Raptor" or even a "het Aptor", as not being het for Raptor( includes offspring I`v sold off and not bred myself...so to the best of my knowledge I`v never produced a non-het Raptor lol). We are dealing with a group of recessive genes here IMO. It is their ability to cooperate, and "unlock" new traits(and the fact R X R does not always = R), which makes them non-simple recessives. Otherwise each works just like any other recessive gene. You can have/make a het for Stripe, Reverse Stripe, Aptor, Eclipse etc.

"Patternless Designer", Aptor, Patternless Stripe, and Patternless Red Stripe, are all names for the same trait. It comes from the striped lines. It is like the "super" form of Reverse Stripe, and/or Stripe.

This IMO is how we now have Stripes which came out of "Jungle" lines, and Reverse Stripes that came out of Striped lines. "Patternless Stripe" was just the next step, and it has it`s own "super form". The pattern is what "creates" the eye mutation, so any Aptor, and likely any het Aptor, are indeed hets.

 

[godzillizard]

Amen brother but the eye trait can express regardless of the pattern expressed--we have banded, aberrant, jungle striped, reverse striped & patternless striped red-eyes. The "super" stripe code allowed the eye trait to emerge, but the pattern component doesn't have to be visually (fully) expressed for the eyes to be expressed.

COLOR is just about the only thing that is actually linebred in Leos. Just my opinion, but it is a strong one.

Could you please elaborate on this idea? Cause it just doesn't fit with what I thought was the case. If a trait is not a simple/mono recessive, it's probably a polygenic/cooperating recessive. Most stabilized polygenic recessives do behave similar to simple recessives, but they are not quite that simple/predictable, unless you breed the best to the best...wouldn't you call that line breeding?

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

All APTORs are het RAPTOR 'if' they carry the separate, red-eyed gene. heh....

 

[Ian S.]

LMAO!
Just to make sure I'm following this right... "if" I breed a reverse stripe to a stripe, it will give me patternless stripes. Then If I breed those patternless stripes together I unlock the warlord gene to the fifth power commemorating the orgasmic eye trait known as the eclipse?? :main_laugh: All these years and I'm still confused as hell with The man behind the curtain's morphs.

 

[SaSobek]

yes it dose actualy

it is actualy tested and thats how it works.

 

[Ian S.]

Wow! Seriously? Now I'm upset.... How come nobody told me? I feel left out

 

[SaSobek]

no one realy ever asked :main_thumbsup:

 

[Ian S.]

and to think I could have been to work already on my ruby eyed bells.

 

[paulnj]

redstripe bell X reverse stripe bell Ian.... get to work.

 

[Ian S.]

Now where can I find a reverse stripe bell or het bell....hmm..

 

[SaSobek]

hahahh its done its the RADAR (snow radar, enigma radar, and snow enigma radar lets just say the will be here soon) hahahahh:main_thumbsup:

and the rainwater red eye is in the incubator:main_lipsrsealed: with a little kick to it as well :main_thumbsup:

 

[Ian S.]

LOL I know about the radars. I thought they've all been created by non het tremper eclipse.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

:main_laugh: Something like that, Ian. hehe

The Raptors and Eclipse "came out of" the Aptor project. The same results were found from the "Patternless Stripe" project, thus proving the above theory, and that the "Patternless Stripes"(from Red Stripe X Tremper Reverse Stripe), are essentially the non-albino expression of the Aptor pattern. Many of us have known about this for a few years. Finally a few others are catching up, at least.

Brian, what I mean is something like Tang color is not controlled by a genetic mutation, like the majority of other morphs. This is what I think of when someone refers to "linebred" or "polygenic". Meaning something to the effect of, a trait you have to selectively breed for. We have high color Tangerines because they have been selectively bred, and/or linebred. You can not make hets for those like you can the Aptor/Raptor line, and patterning traits.

It seems any actual mutant-gene can be selectively bred, but I`de not consider them a linebred trait, for that reason. Just that they are being/have been "linebred".

I think the term linebred, refers to breeding within the same line(inbred), and is often used instead of the term selectively bred.

 

[Ian S.]

:main_laugh: Something like that, Ian. hehe

The Raptors and Eclipse "came out of" the Aptor project. The same results were found from the "Patternless Stripe" project, thus proving the above theory, and that the "Patternless Stripes"(from Red Stripe X Tremper Reverse Stripe), are essentially the non-albino expression of the Aptor pattern. Many of us have known about this for a few years. Finally a few others are catching up, at least.

HA HA HA!! smart ass! I knew that portion I didn't have a clue thought about the eyetrait. Good lookin'

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Sorry, misunderstood you then. lol

 

[godzillizard]

I get what you're saying now, thanks for the clarification Dan :main_thumbsup:

 

[Ian S.]

Well now that I recall.... Mine didn't work and I want a refund.....LAWL
This male is/was a Giant patternless stripe (course he's darker now and has pattern) He is an HQ red stripe x Tremper Giant reverse stripe, but I never got any eclipse eyes when I crossed him with two tremper patternless stripe females of the same lineage and a striped tremper. WTH!!!:main_thumbsdown: at least he proved out albino. just bad luck?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I think it could be "bad luck". I have bred several female het Raptors, and Patternless Stripes to a male het Raptor in the past, and did not hatch one Eclipse or Raptor, for the entire season. I know for a fact that the male and some of the females are indeed hets(as well as the fact the PRS are most likely hets too). I just did not hit the odds.

Probabilities of outcomes are just that. Each egg has a 25% chance at producing the homozygous form from het X het. That does not mean that we will hatc 25% of our offsring as homozygous, but it certainly could work out that way. Just was not sure if you knew this, Ian. If so, at least it is good info for someone else reading.