Are Blizzards a true leucistic?

[Ian S.]

A snake-eyed blizzard produced a het blizzard offspring with snake-eyes, suggesting the eyes may not be linked as previously theorized.

cool!! I did not know that,
That's actually really exciting news.:main_thumbsup:
can we get a pic??

 

[Grinning Geckos]

I hatched a Snake Eyed Mack Snow from Mack Snow Pastel het Bell x Snake Eyed Blizzard. It's so confusing... I'm pairing the same male with my Eclipse Blizzard possible het Bell soon so hopefully I'll get some babies with solid black eyes from her.

LOL....This is from Michael earlier in this thread!

Though, now that I re-read it, I should have said a "snake-eyed Mack snow het blizzard".

 

[eyelids]

Yep that was me!

I voted not Leucistic simply because I still want to look forward to a crisp white leo with blue eyes...

I guess I'll throw another bit into my Eclipse Blizzard since Paradox was brought up. She has a 'Paradox' spot which I dismissed after reading they're just 'birth marks'. Well I just remembered something I read on Alex Hue's Mack Snow forum; that someone produced a mostly black gecko from Mack Snow x a female with a weird black spot on it's tail. If, and I say if, she turns out to be het Bell, the Eclipse eyes are inherited like the snake eyes and the Paradox takes over the body I'll have some crazy babies! :main_evilgrin:

Here's an old pic of the said female...

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[IMacBevan]

works for me...

 

[PaulSage]

I have to admit, I've found this thread pretty intriguing. At this point, I'm still undecided though. I have a Genetics & Heredity class starting at the UW next week, so maybe I'll see if I can pick some of the profs brains about it. ...Lord knows I have enough examples of both to show them Maybe I'll bring the class over on a "field trip." heh

 

[Ian S.]

Hi,
This discusion had me checking out my blizzards today....LOL
nah really I was cleaning and check this guy out.

hit or miss???
I didn't think so at first but, looks like I hit.
weird looking huh.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Is that 'pigment' I see in those cool-looking eyes?

 

[Ian S.]

maybe!!
LOL

 

[LeosForLess]

I skipped like a ton of posts, but dont some leucistic ball pythons have yellow on them?

 

[IMacBevan]

Hi Paul,

I have yet to find a yellow leucistic ball pyton in my searches. There are two forms of amelanism one of which is boldly colored yellow/gold and white amelanistic (often called a high contrast albino) and then there is a very pale yellow and white amelanistic which can look almost leucistic until you look at the eyes which are red.

Ian B.

 

[IMacBevan]

Here are a couple of more leucistics for you:

Here is a leucistic Red Eared Slider. Picture taken by a friend of mine who purchased them from Clive Longden

And lastly, Bob Clark's female burmese which he was never sucessful in getting to breed (hmm, wonder if there is a coralation here with the leopards...). Not to sure of the status of the snake, but I don't think Bob has it anymore. Picture is from Bob's website if I remember correctly.

Enjoy.

Ian B.

 

[brandy101010]

Wow that turtle is too cute!
Man I want that burm!

 

[IMacBevan]

forgot to mention that the red eye in the RES is a reflection from the back of the retina, much like the red eye in people photos.
Ian B.

 

[Ian S.]

hmm... I could have sworn there was a way to tell whom voted what. Bah... not important but lets see some more votes folks!!

 

[Grinning Geckos]

There IS a way, but I didn't go for that option when I made the poll. I was hoping for some more people to make posts after voting on the poll.

 

[Ian S.]

I hear you.
Here's a good question that may help the subject. Are there other known leucistics that have proven to be recessive as the blizzard? I can't for the life think of any. The ball python leucistics are all from co-dom traits right?

 

[Grinning Geckos]

Right, the leucisitic BP are all the super forms of co-dom trait OR they are the results of 2 different traits. I think one is the super form of the mohave (co-dom). I know another is the result of yellow belly x something...can't remember what.

I THINK leucistic gators are recessive. I don't really know anyone who works with gators to ask.

 

[eyelids]

Right, the leucisitic BP are all the super forms of co-dom trait OR they are the results of 2 different traits. I think one is the super form of the mohave (co-dom). I know another is the result of yellow belly x something...can't remember what.

I THINK leucistic gators are recessive. I don't really know anyone who works with gators to ask.

Yellow Belly x Yellow Belly = Ivory. It's not a leucistic. The other Blue Eye Lucys are Lesser Platinum x Mojave and Lesser Platinum x Phantom. Then there's the Black Eyed Lucy from Fire x Fire.

 

[Grinning Geckos]

LOL Shows how much I know about BP morphs!! Thanks Michael for setting that straight.

 

[IMacBevan]

Leucistic Texas Rats are definately recessive. As are the lecucistic Blacks Rats which are actualy crosses with lindheimeri (Texas).

The one of the main reasons I am a proponent of the "blizzard is a leuscistic" thought process is based on these snakes. They were the first leucistics bred on a large scale basis and when bred with an amelanistic you get a pink eyed all white snake.

The process phenotypically is too similar to the blizzard for me to conclude that there is not a similar process going on. I think that the Leopards ability to color shift (light - dark - light) is adding a dimension we don't fully understand yet. Hence the reason you get the differences in coloration that we see with these guys.

Ian B.