Bloody poop from vent :(

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LisaC

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So this is where everyone came :main_cool3: (I used to frequent some other gecko forums and can't believe how slow they are now).

Anyways, I've come crawling back for ideas on what could be wrong with one of my girls. I took her in to see a vet on Wednesday when I first noticed a bit of blood coming from her vent. Unfortunately, I had called around and took the first appointment I could get, when I should have waited to find a reputable herp vet. So I've made another appointment for Tuesday with another vet.

Just to get the basics out of the way, I have two females and one male, all housed separately. They are housed on tile with an under tank heat of around 90. They have a hot side, a cold side, a humid hide and a couple other hides. They are fed mostly mealworms dusted with Calcium and D3, along with a vitamin mix every few feedings or so. Once every couple weeks they get either crickets, pinkies, superworms or something else just for something different.

My one male and one female have been fine, no problems with appetite, they are both regular and good weights. One of the females laid infertile eggs last year and never fully gained back her weight, still once she got her appetite back she's been fine until this spring. She lost her appetite about a month before laying her egg, still she remained active and hydrated. She finally laid one egg last week after a few warm water baths. I thought I had seen two eggs in her belly, so I'm not sure if maybe one was reabsorbed or she laid it and ate it (if either are even possible?). Then she had a good shed and I thought she'd get her appetite back, but no such luck and she has now lost most of the fat in her tail. I was just about to try force feeding her (well the putting food around her mouth and getting her to lick it off trick with Marica's slurry), when I noticed blood coming from her vent . So I took her in to see the vet two days ago. The vet couldn't really tell me what was wrong, but prescribed oral antibiotics and a liquid food called "Carnivore Care" to force feed her (if anyone has experience with this, please let me know). I'm not going to lie, I have a phobia with vets and herps since I've seen quite a few give horrible advice and just not really seem to care.

So anyways, here is a picture of her underside (sorry for the bad quality, I don't really know how to use my camera yet) as well as her vent with a bit of blood/poop looking goo. I can give her the antibiotics with not much problem, but the vet recommended force feeding 2-3 times a day. She hates the food and spits most of it up, so I'd really like to know others opinions of "Carnivore Care" before I continue to use it.

I will be asking the vet to do a fecal sample (it was not done by the last vet and I can't believe I forgot to ask). I just wasn't thinking parasites since the other two are very healthy and they have all been fed mostly mealworms bred by me. The vet I had seen said that x-rays and blood tests were next.

Thanks,
Lisa
 

snared99

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I would get a fecal done and also a acid fast test for Crypto. It also looks like your leo is ovulating again(atleast 2 follicles)
 
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LisaC

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Oh no, Crypto would be horrible and the last thing she needs is to try and lay more eggs :(. Does anyone have a fact sheet about Crypto? She's housed in the same room as my other two and all I know is that it is very contagious and there's no cure.

She been given Septra for antibiotics and Carnivore Care for food. Today she's not looking very good though. I gave her the meds, made sure she had a bit of water by getting her to lick it off her mouth and gave her a few warm water baths. She passed some very weird looking stool, if that's even what it is. Right now she's just laying there with her eyes closed. I'm sure if I touched her she'd liven up, but I hate seeing her suffer. I made an appointment with the vet I was recommended, but he can't see her until Tuesday. I don't want to see her suffer and have to die on her own, so I was thinking maybe euthanasia at this point :eek: .
 
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I just went to try and move her since it was time for her meds/feeding and she's gone. I had no idea she was so far gone, yesterday morning while I was bathing/giving her meds she was a feisty whipper snapper. She appears to have died straining to pass something, since she's in that position. I can't believe she had to suffer and die on her own, I really wasn't expecting this.

RIP little girl, I'm so sorry.

I've put her in the freezer and will call around to see where I can get a necropsy done.

As far as Crypto goes, does this sound like it? I'm freaking out for my other two now, both are active, chunky buggers with good appetites. I just thought she was in rough shape from some trauma caused by the egg laying.
 
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LisaC

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Ack, ack, ack. $400 for a necro. That is definitely not something I can afford at this time especially after the useless $150 vet visit a couple days ago. Does anyone know how long they can stay frozen before getting it done? I will call around more to get other quotes, but I'm guessing they will all be in that ball park.
 

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LisaC said:
Ack, ack, ack. $400 for a necro. That is definitely not something I can afford at this time especially after the useless $150 vet visit a couple days ago. Does anyone know how long they can stay frozen before getting it done? I will call around more to get other quotes, but I'm guessing they will all be in that ball park.

Sorry you lost her. (opinion) Save your test money for one you have a chance for helping. ....I had a female that went through the same as you described. Found her(surprised of her death) the next day after being concerned of her actions. It was 10 days after a breeding. I open her up to find a large blood clot. ........???? no idea why......(note) May I say if you are letting the vet do a fecal at any time.......take a sample in, if possible.... the vet took a forced
sample on one on mine, dropped his tail, 5 hours later he was dead from all the extra stress.......Again sorry for your loss. take care... Hj
 
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LisaC

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Thanks Hj,

I'm just worried for my other two. I really hope another clinic can do it for less. The fecal matter in her tank is all dry, but maybe I could just take her in and ask for them to do a fecal on her.

Sorry for the loss of your two. The vet seems so very stressful for these little guys. I don't think mine had ever been handled so roughly and poked and prodded so much in her entire life. I noticed a change for the worse in her behavior as soon as we got home. I'm really kicking myself, since I knew it was going to happen.
 

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The cost is irrelevant now anyway since you put her in the freezer. $400 seems quite high for a necropsy (I usually pay $75-$125 depending on what testing I have done) but I understand it's hard when you are dealing with certain vets.

If it were me, I would try to find a vet that specializes in exotics including herps, and have a fecal float and smear done on your other geckos, just to see if there is anything lurking.

Like I said on Fauna, I am very sorry for your loss.
 
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LisaC

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They can't do a necropsy if she's been frozen? I'm pretty sure the shelter I worked at would freeze dogs and cats before sending them for testing, I thought it would be ok because of that. There is no edit, but they said the cost was going to be at least $350... I was assuming it would come out to around $400.

Getting my other two tested would definitely relieve some stress. I'll check that out tomorrow as well.
 
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GeckoGathering

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KelliH said:
If it were me, I would try to find a vet that specializes in exotics including herps, and have a fecal float and smear done on your other geckos, just to see if there is anything lurking.

This(above quoted, (KH) is the way to go, with you taking in fresh stools from your other two........

I have the most caring vet you could ever want to know.( Dogs, Cats, Strays, and normal and semi-norm kept animals. He takes in animals, cares for them, and tries to find them homes. He even takes them to his home for EXTRA pets and cares for them as his own...........But as most all vets, he gets very little geckos to see........and that's the hurting problem to us.
I'll never let a vet handle my geckos again until I hear the procedure he will be doing and discuss it and the handling of my animal....never!
take care. HJ
 
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LisaC

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If I can get her tested as well, I would still like to. I wouldn't mind giving my male her big tank. I think he would really enjoy her tank with all it's neat hiding spots, plus it's about twice as big as his. I spent a ton of time making it and she seemed to really enjoy it for years before getting sick. If she had some sort of parasite, I will just throw it away, if not I would like to clean it out VERY good and reuse it.
 

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