Bold Stripe recessive?

[KelliH]

Makes me really miss the Stripe het Bell I got from you that died...

That makes me so sad.

 

[brandy101010]

Those striped bells are awesome!

 

[nwheat]

Gorgeous pictures, Kelli!!
Perhaps if there is an epistatic gene that turns off pattern (like the one that turns off black/brown in labs) it may just be rare at this point - after all none of us are selecting for it!

Edit: Kelli, do you think that aberrant patterns and jungle are separate from stripe, or somehow connected? It seems as though jungle is, but maybe those little abberancies aren't.

 

[eyelids]

That makes me so sad.

Awww... Sorry. Seeing your Stripe Bells made me think of her. The male I got from you has sired two jungles so far and I bet I would've gotten some nice babies from her.

Makes me think... All of the Macks I produced so far are at least a bit abberant (Jungle, Jungle/Stripe and two zig zags), but all of the sibs have been banded...

 

[Sally Salamander]

It was interesting talking to Powergeckos awhile back. He told me that the person who bought his bold "tiger" line was producing the prettiest bold stripes from them. Those tigers came from Julie at Gecko Ranch, which were from bold jungle parents.

Interesting thread...

Powergeckos - now there was a man's man...

 

[DanTheFireman]

di Vosjoli - Tremper's book defines the jungles/stripes as polygenetic. So far all of our Redstripe x Redstripe and Bold jungle x Bold jungle, along with Bold jungle x Redstripe have been stripes or jungles - about 400 over the last three seasons.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

OK. I'm going to throw a wrench in the works. This baby came from R2's bold stripe pair:

 

[Jeanne]

Ok, what exactly does "Polygenetic"? mean, In Laymens (SP) term please

 

[BalloonzForU]

http://www.kursus.kvl.dk/shares/vetgen/_Popgen/genetics/1/1/sld012.htm

This is something that I found.

 

[Jeanne]

What does milk have to do with Geckos??????? LOL That link didn't help...LOL

 

[BalloonzForU]

LOL...ok, it was all I found that made some sense and was layman enough. I got from it that being Polygenetic got you..... variations, in this case some degree of stripe or none at all? Sounds line bred to me....LOL I have no idea what polygenetic is either. Marcia, HELP!!!

 

[Jeanne]

I have no idea what polygenetic is either. Marcia, HELP!!!

LOL!

 

[BalloonzForU]

I think we need a genetics 101 for some of us! I'lll be the first to sign up!!! I'm searching for my Genetics for DUMMIES book right now!

 

[nwheat]

Polygenic and line bred are the same thing. It just means that there are several genes that affect the trait. Usually these genes have an additive effect. Skin color in humans is an example there are several genes that affect it - the more dominant alleles you have, the darker your skin. The result, phenotypically, is that you usually get a range of phenotypes. Often it will graph as a bell shaped curve - a few individuals at the extremes and more in the middle.

 

[robin]

i think in some line its rece4ssive. i have work with different lines in the past. ok so not going into detail however i think it is or isnt. how just as hypomelanism can be different (in varying degrees) i think stripes can too. so even though the one marica posted has bands it has striping on the tail. now i dont think all lines are genetic but from working with this line i have found that they do produce hets ross payans line that came from his red stripe male is also as are kellis but those are the only lines i have worked with anf proven

 

[BalloonzForU]

Polygenic and line bred are the same thing. It just means that there are several genes that affect the trait. Usually these genes have an additive effect. Skin color in humans is an example there are several genes that affect it - the more dominant alleles you have, the darker your skin. The result, phenotypically, is that you usually get a range of phenotypes. Often it will graph as a bell shaped curve - a few individuals at the extremes and more in the middle.

OMG You mean I was right? Finally! :main_thumbsup:

I couldn't find polygenic in the Genetics for Dummies book. I'm glad someone answered the question. Now that gives me an idea what to do with the stripes and their non stripe off springs I have.

 

[Jeanne]

OMG You mean I was right? Finally! :main_thumbsup:

Good Job Felicia!

 

[robin]

in the inctances i am refering to it is not polygenic

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Fun huh? LOL I have proven it several times in the past 2 years, and even posted my findings. I know everyone gets something different as far as results, but Ive seen enough to say "Stripes, Jungles, Reverse Stripes, "Patternless Stripes" are notrecessive". Just for the simple fact if you breed any one of them to, another of a "different" pattern, you will get the whole range of patterns.


So far polygenic seems to fit best. Or... I dont remember exactly what it was called, but werent some of us saying ...there is a type of inheritance where there are multiple co-dominant traits, actually linked together???

This makes the most sense to me, since it seems that-

1. Jungles and Stripes create Reverse Stripes

2. Reverse Stripes and Stripes create Patternless Stripes

3. Patternless Stripes (or Aptors) and Reverse Stripes seem to be the cause of the "Eclipse" mutation.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

So far polygenic seems to fit best. Or... I dont remember exactly what it was called, but werent some of us saying ...there is a type of inheritance where there are multiple co-dominant traits, actually linked together???

What I think you are referring to is what I have said is going on with Ultra & Amel in cornsnakes. Ultra & Amel are both recessive mutations, but Codominant to eachother. However, I'm not sure how that works if the "base" morphs aren't recessive.