Breeding supplies, just a quick check...

[maggiee22195]

Hey, I am planning on breeding in a month or two but I am getting supplies early so that I know I have all the right stuff. Right now I have:
A hova bator
A gram scale
Are there any other supplies I need for breeding.
Other than the perlite and the moist hide, and the tupperware to but the perlite in.
Let me know what your supply list looks like.

 

[acpart]

For best results, you should use a proportional thermostat with the hobovator since the thermostat it comes with is not adequate. It's hard to tell from your description whether you have all the "containers" you need, so I'll list what I've used and you can see how that matches up:
lay box and substrate in the cage for the geckos to lay their eggs in
egg container and substrate to put the eggs in once they're laid

Of course you also need housing for the babies.

Breeding season generally runs from about Jan.-Sept., so you may have a bit more of a wait.

Aliza

 

[maggiee22195]

Thanks! I have all that stuff. I am going to breed out of season.. if the geckos are ready. But the male and female are going to be house together.

 

[Jordan]

Thanks! I have all that stuff. I am going to breed out of season.. if the geckos are ready. But the male and female are going to be house together.

And all these times you have said you think your ready for breeding.
Geckos wont just breed when you want them to, they have to be ovulating.
Housing a male and female together out of breeding season could extrmely stress the female, and the female can cause injury to the male. therefore making it even harder for oyu to breed when breeding season gets here.

I beg of you to do research like me and Kel have said over and over again.
And you have said over and over again that you know enough.
AND THEN you have asked questions over and over again that constantly prove you DONT know enough.

 

[maggiee22195]

This post was just to make sure that I am not missing anything. I said I believed I had everything, but this was just a quick check. I was fine with the answer acpart gave me, but you had to come one here and attack me once again. If YOU would read, it said that..."IF THE GECKOS ARE READY!" The guy I am getting from keeps his geckos together. Many people breed out of season. And yes, I know it can stress the female out. Don't you think that if I noticed that I would take her out???? Use common sense please.
I don't understand why you had to come on this totally separate post and criticize and attack me even more! I was just double checking! And If I want to house a female and male this close to breeding season (which you would also know wouldnt be until DECEMBER!) Then you would know that there is not a problem with it. PLEASE, I am begging you, do not come on here and make me feel bad because in the past 3 days that is what you have done. Thx

 

[Jordan]

This post was just to make sure that I am not missing anything. I said I believed I had everything, but this was just a quick check. I was fine with the answer acpart gave me, but you had to come one here and attack me once again. If YOU would read, it said that..."IF THE GECKOS ARE READY!" The guy I am getting from keeps his geckos together. Many people breed out of season. And yes, I know it can stress the female out. Don't you think that if I noticed that I would take her out???? Use common sense please.
I don't understand why you had to come on this totally separate post and criticize and attack me even more! I was just double checking! And If I want to house a female and male this close to breeding season (which you would also know wouldnt be until DECEMBER!) Then you would know that there is not a problem with it. PLEASE, I am begging you, do not come on here and make me feel bad because in the past 3 days that is what you have done. Thx

I am not trying to make you feel bad, and yes i'll admit my posts have got a bit angry and attackive. its because im frustated that your nnot taking our advice. But i am trying to help you and stop you rushing into something your not ready for.
many people have said you are not ready for breeding, and even after that you are posting more threads making sure youve got everything for breeding.

you are missing two very important things you need for breeding EXPERIENCE and the ABILITY TO TAKE ADVICE.

 

[maggiee22195]

I don't want any more trouble with you Jordan. I am asking these questions because like I have said before, I have 2 months to figure all this stuff out, and that is what this forum is for also. So that people can ask questions. All I am asking of you is for you not to 'attack' me on my posts anymore. If you can't answer my question then don't. I will know when I am ready to breed. I mean, nobody has even said good job for doing everything 2 months in advance. So again, please dont harass me when I post a question that is to help benefit me an my geckos. This is what this forum is for. Not for people to attack and harass each other. so please, no more trouble, just don't answer my questions until you will be nice and helpful. thank you.

 

[maggiee22195]

I am not trying to make you feel bad, and yes i'll admit my posts have got a bit angry and attackive. its because im frustated that your nnot taking our advice. But i am trying to help you and stop you rushing into something your not ready for.
many people have said you are not ready for breeding, and even after that you are posting more threads making sure youve got everything for breeding.

you are missing two very important things you need for breeding EXPERIENCE and the ABILITY TO TAKE ADVICE.

I HAVE 2 MONTHS BEFORE BREEDING! I JUST BOUGHT 'The herpetoculture of Leopard Geckos' book. Instead of you telling me I am not ready to breed, just answer my questions so that I CAN learn. I will be ready to breed in 2 months. Please don't worry about when I am ready to breed or not, just answer the questions if you can/ want to. otherwise lets not argue back and forth.

 

[Jordan]

I don't want any more trouble with you Jordan. I am asking these questions because like I have said before, I have 2 months to figure all this stuff out, and that is what this forum is for also. So that people can ask questions. All I am asking of you is for you not to 'attack' me on my posts anymore. If you can't answer my question then don't. I will know when I am ready to breed. I mean, nobody has even said good job for doing everything 2 months in advance. So again, please dont harass me when I post a question that is to help benefit me an my geckos. This is what this forum is for. Not for people to attack and harass each other. so please, no more trouble, just don't answer my questions until you will be nice and helpful. thank you.

Okay that sounds fair.

But may i just remind you, i HAVE ANSWERED ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS!!

and nobody has said good job for preparing 2 months in advance, because hell most people prepare years in advance, most people keep geckos for years before breeding. I had my first geckos far over a year. and had read many books and prepared for months befor ebreeding.
2 months is nothing to congratulate.

But you go away and breed and youll get the biggest shock of your life and youll realize the people on this forum (THE MORE EXPERIENCED) were right.

 

[maggiee22195]

See, I was just trying to stop this and you started it again! I have had my gecko more than a year. I have done 2 years of research on leopard gecko care. I am getting the supplies 2 months in advance, not researching! I have been researching a long time. I am not going to get the biggest shock. I know what to expect, and I know what to do. I don't know what the 'more experienced' will be right about because I know how to care for the geckos, I know how to incubate eggs, i know the right temps, I know how and what to feed them, i know how to house hatchlings, i know how to house adults, and I will learn all about leopard gecko genetics when i get my book.
Am I not going to be ready to breed then? I don't know why you started this again! All it takes is 1 attacking comment! But you are just full of them!

 

[Jordan]

See, I was just trying to stop this and you started it again! I have had my gecko more than a year. I have done 2 years of research on leopard gecko care. I am getting the supplies 2 months in advance, not researching! I have been researching a long time. I am not going to get the biggest shock. I know what to expect, and I know what to do. I don't know what the 'more experienced' will be right about because I know how to care for the geckos, I know how to incubate eggs, i know the right temps, I know how and what to feed them, i know how to house hatchlings, i know how to house adults, and I will learn all about leopard gecko genetics when i get my book.
Am I not going to be ready to breed then? I don't know why you started this again! All it takes is 1 attacking comment! But you are just full of them!

OKay, yup sounds like your ready.

hmm, funny how you only mentioned youve had your gecko over a year now. and its funny how youve never mentioned youve been interested and researching for over 2 years.
hmmm... it would have seemed like something important to say earlier.

just to clarify, i doubt it.
if you had been doing research for 2 years, youd have quite a grasp on genetics and morphs.

 

[Tony C]

Have you decided what to do with the babies? I am still sitting on about half of what I produced this year (about 40 left) because it is practically impossible to even give away leopard geckos right now. Are you prepared to keep everything you produce?

 

[Jordan]

id like to just quickly apologize to the mods if anything i have said is out of line but before telling me off please have a look through all of maggies threads, ive tried being nice and so have others. I aplogise to the mods and other forum users.

 

[Daylight_Thieves]

Trying not to attack you, merely to tell you my thoughts

Maggie, Jordan can come on strong at times and so can some of the others, but please try to listen to their advice. I have been following the posts that you've been putting up so I do at least know where all of this has stemmed from... I, at one point, thought that there were people on this forum that are just trying to start an argument when I wanted to buy a special needs gecko after only 1 month of owning geckos and they talked me out of it... I hated them for it at the time but now that I have read 4 different books and corresponded with SEVERAL people who do try to handle special needs geckos PLUS having my first gecko die from some parasitic cause despite everything I did to save him, I realize that they were right. It is similar to handling SEVERAL newborns all at once. You never know exactly what they want and you don't know what wrong with them when they are sick.

Things are fine and dandy and seem downright EASY when the geckos are perfectly healthy, but what happens when you get a hatchling that won't eat or you have one born with a defect? Are you going to be ready to handle all the stress, worry and heartbreak that come with it?

I'm not trying to deter you from breeding ever- because I want to breed my geckos someday too- but PLEASE, Maggie, please try to do as much research as humanly possible to the point where you have read everything that you can about geckos as possible. Go to other gecko sites- like the ones on the top of the page- read their gecko care sheets, how they breed their geckos, what their setups are like, and try to get in touch with some well known breeders and ask for their expertise. Try corresponding with a few and ask what their healthy hatchling output is vs. how many either don't survive or never hatch at all.

The people on this site are only trying to prepare you for everything that comes with breeding- the joy of bringing new life into the world AND the heartbreak when you've done all you can and it's not enough.

 

[maggiee22195]

Thanks Victoria. Yes, Jordan has been pretty mean. And he just keeps coming with attack after attack and it is really actually degrating. He is the same age as me and he thinks he can tell me off and act like he know everything more than me. But I tried to make ammends and he didnt even try to cooperate, all he did was come back with another atacking, and meas comment! This is really making me upset, because I was referred to this site by a breeder. All I am on here for is to prepare myself, not to be told I am not ready to breed. THAT IS WHY I AM ON HERE! TO LEARN! But since day 1 it has been attack after attack. I have told him that I have had my gecko over a year and I did a year of research before that, and this past year researching. I didn't plan on breeding Jordan and this is why I dont know about ALL the morphology. I know some but not all.
I can deal with the heartbreak Victoria, and I can deal with having to feed, put down, and care for a deformed gecko. But I did this research and I know what the risks are. I know how to care for them also. The only thing I dont know is about all the morphs and every breeding combination. I know about dominants and co-dominants a recessives and all that.. The only thing I cam here for was reassurance and to have a couple questions answere. But Nobody is here to help me. they are here to criticize and bully. I think I am just done with this forum now.

 

[maggiee22195]

Have you decided what to do with the babies? I am still sitting on about half of what I produced this year (about 40 left) because it is practically impossible to even give away leopard geckos right now. Are you prepared to keep everything you produce?

Yes Tony, I know what I am going to do with the babies. I have at least 6 people that want babies, and I have petstores who want some babies to(i know the people who work at some mom and pop stores and take very good care of their babies). And plus I am only going to have 2 or 3 females.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

All else aside, just looking at a breeding timeline, it is near the end of Oct. Proper quarantine is 3mos minimum.. during that time observing for health issues. Should any arise, quarantine would be extended to insure top health prior to breeding. Putting the two together prior to full quarantine is a big risk of infecting other(s) with unknown diseases/parasites. This is a serious problem while maintaining a breeding colony.

 

[Jordan]

Thanks Victoria. Yes, Jordan has been pretty mean. And he just keeps coming with attack after attack and it is really actually degrating. He is the same age as me and he thinks he can tell me off and act like he know everything more than me. But I tried to make ammends and he didnt even try to cooperate, all he did was come back with another atacking, and meas comment! This is really making me upset, because I was referred to this site by a breeder. All I am on here for is to prepare myself, not to be told I am not ready to breed. THAT IS WHY I AM ON HERE! TO LEARN! But since day 1 it has been attack after attack. I have told him that I have had my gecko over a year and I did a year of research before that, and this past year researching. I didn't plan on breeding Jordan and this is why I dont know about ALL the morphology. I know some but not all.
I can deal with the heartbreak Victoria, and I can deal with having to feed, put down, and care for a deformed gecko. But I did this research and I know what the risks are. I know how to care for them also. The only thing I dont know is about all the morphs and every breeding combination. I know about dominants and co-dominants a recessives and all that.. The only thing I cam here for was reassurance and to have a couple questions answere. But Nobody is here to help me. they are here to criticize and bully. I think I am just done with this forum now.

Well im very sorry for how i have made you feel, but i hope you look back and realise i was orginally trying to help you. and it wasnt just me who said you wasnt ready for breeding.

and me being the same age doesnt matter. I can still give you advice and answer your qeustions, which i did.
me being the same age should help you realise that i know what im talking about. i know what its like to get into breeding leos at such a young age and its not easy. I know what its like to be 17 and swamped with hatchlings.

again im sorry for everythng that has gone on, but if you look back your questions were answered, you were given helpful links, helpful advice. its just a shame you werent accepting the advice we were giving.
And that advice for the last time, is wait another year.

 

[Daylight_Thieves]

Thanks Victoria. Yes, Jordan has been pretty mean. And he just keeps coming with attack after attack and it is really actually degrating. He is the same age as me and he thinks he can tell me off and act like he know everything more than me. But I tried to make ammends and he didnt even try to cooperate, all he did was come back with another atacking, and meas comment! This is really making me upset, because I was referred to this site by a breeder. All I am on here for is to prepare myself, not to be told I am not ready to breed. THAT IS WHY I AM ON HERE! TO LEARN! But since day 1 it has been attack after attack. I have told him that I have had my gecko over a year and I did a year of research before that, and this past year researching. I didn't plan on breeding Jordan and this is why I dont know about ALL the morphology. I know some but not all.
I can deal with the heartbreak Victoria, and I can deal with having to feed, put down, and care for a deformed gecko. But I did this research and I know what the risks are. I know how to care for them also. The only thing I dont know is about all the morphs and every breeding combination. I know about dominants and co-dominants a recessives and all that.. The only thing I cam here for was reassurance and to have a couple questions answere. But Nobody is here to help me. they are here to criticize and bully. I think I am just done with this forum now.

*sigh* I've said my piece and the message wasn't taken quite right... Ah, well, teenagers... They'll learn eventually...

(And yes, it says I am 19- which I am- but I have been out of school since age 16 and do know a thing or two about the real world...)

And Maggie, one reason why the people on here might not think you are ready is your way of speaking/ typing... It is very un-eloquent and juvenile... It is difficult to take someone seriously when their manner of speak sounds like that of a pre-teen. IT may be a public forum on the internet but when your speech in your posts are all they have to go on as far as your intelligence and maturity, it says volumes more than what you are actually saying. Keep that in mind before blaming everyone for being against you.

Now back into the background I go... I will be watching, and might come back to say more, if I feel the need...

 

[Jordan]

All else aside, just looking at a breeding timeline, it is near the end of Oct. Proper quarantine is 3mos minimum.. during that time observing for health issues. Should any arise, quarantine would be extended to insure top health prior to breeding. Putting the two together prior to full quarantine is a big risk of infecting other(s) with unknown diseases/parasites. This is a serious problem while maintaining a breeding colony.

Extremely good point. And tbh i didnt even pick up on that myself.

itl be 5 months minimum before you start breeding so i reckon, by then you probably will be ready. Do lots of research learn the morphs and genetics in this time, contacct breeders, read loads.

And finally i wish you luck.