Daylight_Thieves
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Breeding supplies, just a quick check...
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Thanks I guess. Victoria, thank you for making fun of the way I speak. It really doesn't sound like the way a pre-teen sounds but if you would have stayed in school you would probably know that. Well, I am done with this forum. Thank you all for the help and advice. I have taken it and used it. I got a book like some suggested and I am going to do more research. So kids, Stay in school... (and don't take after victoria.) 
You should really act like EVERYONE is a mod...Also quit attacking him through posting, you dont know everything so stop acting like it. Geckos can breed out of season, i have one that just laid yesterday.
Before you go attack someone make sure its for a good reason.
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Thank you. Were you standing up for me? And I know! There are soooo many breeders that breed out of season!
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i dont claim to know everything. But if youd take some time to read through all the threads and posts by this girl, i DO have a reason and a lot of people agree with me.
Trust me read the threads from this girl in this order:
1. http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=68176
2. http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=68178
3. http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=68186
4. http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=68198
5. this thread.
After youve read them, you'll know exactly why ive been like ive been. And ive apologised and realised i was attackive and came over agressive, so thank you for that reminder.
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This really made me laugh! Because all I did was ask the questions and if you read the posts... you will notice hoe Jordan has jumped in and said in almost eveysingle one of my posts, some mean, or rude comment. I just thought I would bring that up. So please let me know if you notice the same thing, being, him jumping in and being the first one to aswer my posts and tell me not to ask and so on.
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i think youll find im the one to answer most of your questions, and other breeders are saying in those threads that your not ready and saying the same as me.
im sick of this, i have answered your questions i have wished you good luck and i have ALSO warned you about going into breeding to early and ive ALSO provided research links. so theres not much more i can do.
and from that list above, first thread of yours i wasnt first to answer, people said before me what i have said. second thread, i was first to asnwer with a nice answer to your question plus some warning on enigma (how kind of me), on the third thread i was first to answer with the answer to your question and also some research links (how kind of me) and on the fourth thread, oh im first to answer again, with the answer to your questions and help with the morph calc.... oh oh HOW KIND OF ME!
Also what you said about Victoria is really out of line, just because she dropped out of school doesnt make her any lesser a being.
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Hahah you are really making me laugh! How kind of you... to criticize me and my leos! Hahaha you are too funny!
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I havent criticized your leo's at all, INFACT the leo's you have talked about in all your threads YOU DONT EVEN OWN YET!
and i havent criticized you, i have suggested that you wait before breeding and hell its good advice.
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Hahaha ok. Well, if you would have read.... I am not going to breed for 1 or 2 months. So idk why you're going off on these stupid things! Hahahahah!
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yup, and as mentioned by someone (i forget who it was) mentioned to you about qurantine being 3 months minimum, and if oyur not getting them for another month and then preparing them for breeding for a month, your gonna be waiting 5 months AT LEAST. so as ive said, use those 5 months wisely and AGAIN as ive said (but your failing to take in) research. and i wish you luck once again.
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Jordan just stop hon... your advice is falling on deaf ears and all you're doing is feeding into a fight. It's not worth it dude. You're just beating your head on a brick wall tryin to get thru to her. Just walk away, let her do what she's gonna do regardless of what anyone says here. When we see posts in a couple months about how her leos are all messed up we'll know why.
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yeh i think your right, ive provided all the info she has asked about and more. So to you Maggie i hope you look back and use all the info.
And i reckon wel see you back here in couple of months. so im just going to say now what i'll probably say then,
'dont say we didnt warn you!'
im sorry it got a bit of out of hand to everybody else. I suppose i started acting like a typical ignorant teenager and i regret that.
Once again i wish you luck. Hope it goes well for you and for the good of your geckos i hope you prove us all wrong and you are ready.
I just wanna point out even the most "nice" ma and pa pet stores are having trouble selling leos too. My ma and pa shop has had there 2 normal leos for well over a year at 20 bucks each. They started out good but now a year later there looking very sickly. Just coz they say they'll buy the babies doesnt mean they can be a constant source. Like Tony mentioned there not easly to give away let alone sell. you can only have so many ma and pa pet stores around you before your full. A female can have 15+ babies. 6 people plus the pet stores taking a few here and there leaves you with atleast 15 babies. That is if the females are laying that much. You say your can put a animal down but are you willing to watch one of the babies you produce starve in a pet store? Now i may not know what your pet stores are like but theres a good chance they'll be over run with leos and the babies will be stressed from being housed together and slowly perish. I'd really think about giving to a pet store. I thought i'd be able to sell to my pet store but after dealing with the horror of a crocdile gecko from there(wild caught/starved to death) i will NOT sell any to them. I'd rather keep all the babies with me till I can provide real homes for them. I'll be bringing them into this world so i feel i should keep them till a real home can be found, ya know?
And books can only prepare you so much. I was in no where NEAR prepared for the 2 rescued geckos i took. There history went back to a breeder who sold them to the pet store who sold them to the people i took them from. I wont say the breeders name but these two were knoking on deaths door. Trouble has bad MBD was droped and both her front legs and jaw were broke...she still wont eat on her own. Bother had a severe eye infection that wasnt treated and lost all his front toes on his front legs do to bad shed. You wanna see them check out my posts/threads. Books in no way prepared me for the shock of how bad Trouble was. I was in tears by the time we got her into the car. She couldnt even walk! They had admittly said they left them out do die...in MN's weather.....
And what you said about Victoria was rude and out of line. I find it hard to read your post too and im 19. i finished school at 17(graduated early) thats real school. So its not just her.:main_laugh:
And books can only prepare you so much. I was in no where NEAR prepared for the 2 rescued geckos i took. There history went back to a breeder who sold them to the pet store who sold them to the people i took them from. I wont say the breeders name but these two were knoking on deaths door. Trouble has bad MBD was droped and both her front legs and jaw were broke...she still wont eat on her own. Bother had a severe eye infection that wasnt treated and lost all his front toes on his front legs do to bad shed. You wanna see them check out my posts/threads. Books in no way prepared me for the shock of how bad Trouble was. I was in tears by the time we got her into the car. She couldnt even walk! They had admittly said they left them out do die...in MN's weather.....
And what you said about Victoria was rude and out of line. I find it hard to read your post too and im 19. i finished school at 17(graduated early) thats real school. So its not just her.:main_laugh:
You just showed your maturity level by insulting Victoria. I have a GED and had to drop out of High School at 16 for medical reasons.
The people here know what they're talking about and sometimes its best to listen. I know you're excited about breeding but take time to focus on your geckos and make sure they're healthy and happy before you attempt it.
The people here know what they're talking about and sometimes its best to listen. I know you're excited about breeding but take time to focus on your geckos and make sure they're healthy and happy before you attempt it.
Daylight_Thieves
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Thank you, Mallie...
And Maggie, as an FYI, I finished high school at 16 with a 3.7 GPA and in the top 11% of my class... I graduated TWO years early because I took two AP English courses at the time, so I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to the English language.
I am a junior in college right now and would be a senior if I wan't involved in two serious car accidents this past year.
So if you plan on insulting my intelligence, you may want to get all the facts about whom you are slandering...
Edit: YAY, Reborn!! Overachievers of the world unite!
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Haha, i didnt overachieve just did the required RESEARCH and sucessed;D
+1 to what Mallie
and i wanna point out Maggie, to my knowledge the ones who breed off season burmate their geckos which cant be done in a month. Thats the only way to control when they ovualte and when they dont so you're looking at atleast 3 months before you can breed. In the mean time enjoy reading
when you get good take some more advanced morphs and cross it with another and then try to break down what it took to cross them(the orignal avandce morphs) and what you'd get with crossing them with which ever. It's a fun thing to do, it helps you learn morphs. Helps you learn coloration. and it helps you learn. But like it was pointed out you keep one gecko its gonna be a huge change feeding more. I went from 2 to 5 to 9 to 13 to 19 went from a few dozen crickets, mealies, supers and roachs too 5 times that. So unless you have a good breeding colony of something then it's gonna cost a butt ton to feed babies. Heat babies and houses babies. I dont know if your still living at home at 17(chances are you are) just be sure its ok with your parents or if your alone that you can afford all that. I know starting out on my own was HARD.
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Just to add to this, im 17 and have dropped out of school. i dunno what all those GPA's are though lol because im english. But ive already got a job which i got to pay for all the things mentioned above, needed for breeding. getting a job was part of the preperation and it was hard to get a job at my age here. and including all the research and geckos i cared for first its actually a bit insulting that you think you are ready so fast. Many breeders worked years to prepare for breeding, and you think youve done all that already...
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You're doing it again Jordan... Stop before you get in trouble.
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Ok, I haven't touched this thread since it's getting to be a bit heated(with some seriously out of line comments imo) but I'll say my piece.
I've bred leopard geckos for the past 14 years. I have also kept and bred numerous other species of reptile, and some exotic mammals. Don't want to toot my own horn too much, but I know more than the average keeper and learned it all myself. I read a ton of books, visited forum after forum, went to shows and symposiums, and picked the brains of many experience hobbyists for TWO YEARS before I considered breeding leopard geckos, and maintained the animals(I mean starting with babies and raising them up) for another year and a half before that. And I will tell you this, all that research only put my foot in the door. Most of what I know now came from years of experience gained while going through the motions. I will tell you right now, if you haven't kept leos for at least a year sucessfully you have no business breeding. If you haven't done the appropriate amount of research into the breeding process itself you have no business breeding. If you are incapable of housing 20-100+ leopard geckos PERMANENTLY you have no business breeding. If you don't have time to feed or clean up after 20-100+ leopard geckos you have no business breeding. If you do not have the financial capability to acquire all the equipment necessary AND high end, quality animals (I've said it before, and I've said it again, there is absolutely no reason to breed normals or low quality morph animals like dull SHTCTs, tremper albinos, etc, if you want to succeed you need to start with the best quality you can get).
Now, that being said, if you have the following, by all means be my guest to breed leopard geckos:
-A good amount of start up capital.
-Housing and space for ALL the animals you will produce(you need to account for 20 babies per female, because they are quite capable of doing that)
-A permanent, reliable market for animals you produce.
-Access to a qualified reptile vet.(and the funds to pay for it)
-Equipment needed to actually hatch eggs and raise babies.
-Enough time to care for and monitor a large collection.
As far as off season breeding goes, the fact is, if a female isn't ovulating, she isn't going to accept a male and they are not going to breed. Some leos will ovulate late, some early, but if they're not ovulating, you can plan all you want, it's up to them when they are actually going to produce eggs.
Now, the market. There's a ton of stuff I can say about the leopard gecko market, but I'll sum it up as this. Leopard geckos are a species that the supply currently seriously outweighs the demand. Anyone looking to buy a leopard gecko is going to go with an established, well-known breeder first. 2-3 female leopard geckos can produce 60 babies, and selling them is a lot harder than you might think. Personally, I don't think you can make serious money in the leopard gecko market without going to the wholesale level, and doing that requires a)that you develop contacts in the gecko community that are going to give you access to buyers and b) that you have a very large population and a lot of time and space along with the funds to care for all those animals for the first 2-3 years it will take to get off the ground.
Personally, I don't care what you do. I'm just speaking from experience. Ignore the advice or take it, either way, be aware of what you are getting into.
I've bred leopard geckos for the past 14 years. I have also kept and bred numerous other species of reptile, and some exotic mammals. Don't want to toot my own horn too much, but I know more than the average keeper and learned it all myself. I read a ton of books, visited forum after forum, went to shows and symposiums, and picked the brains of many experience hobbyists for TWO YEARS before I considered breeding leopard geckos, and maintained the animals(I mean starting with babies and raising them up) for another year and a half before that. And I will tell you this, all that research only put my foot in the door. Most of what I know now came from years of experience gained while going through the motions. I will tell you right now, if you haven't kept leos for at least a year sucessfully you have no business breeding. If you haven't done the appropriate amount of research into the breeding process itself you have no business breeding. If you are incapable of housing 20-100+ leopard geckos PERMANENTLY you have no business breeding. If you don't have time to feed or clean up after 20-100+ leopard geckos you have no business breeding. If you do not have the financial capability to acquire all the equipment necessary AND high end, quality animals (I've said it before, and I've said it again, there is absolutely no reason to breed normals or low quality morph animals like dull SHTCTs, tremper albinos, etc, if you want to succeed you need to start with the best quality you can get).
Now, that being said, if you have the following, by all means be my guest to breed leopard geckos:
-A good amount of start up capital.
-Housing and space for ALL the animals you will produce(you need to account for 20 babies per female, because they are quite capable of doing that)
-A permanent, reliable market for animals you produce.
-Access to a qualified reptile vet.(and the funds to pay for it)
-Equipment needed to actually hatch eggs and raise babies.
-Enough time to care for and monitor a large collection.
As far as off season breeding goes, the fact is, if a female isn't ovulating, she isn't going to accept a male and they are not going to breed. Some leos will ovulate late, some early, but if they're not ovulating, you can plan all you want, it's up to them when they are actually going to produce eggs.
Now, the market. There's a ton of stuff I can say about the leopard gecko market, but I'll sum it up as this. Leopard geckos are a species that the supply currently seriously outweighs the demand. Anyone looking to buy a leopard gecko is going to go with an established, well-known breeder first. 2-3 female leopard geckos can produce 60 babies, and selling them is a lot harder than you might think. Personally, I don't think you can make serious money in the leopard gecko market without going to the wholesale level, and doing that requires a)that you develop contacts in the gecko community that are going to give you access to buyers and b) that you have a very large population and a lot of time and space along with the funds to care for all those animals for the first 2-3 years it will take to get off the ground.
Personally, I don't care what you do. I'm just speaking from experience. Ignore the advice or take it, either way, be aware of what you are getting into.
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