DB Genetics

[Jorgevill]

Hey guys, I just need to know if you can help me about what Diablo's Blanco genetics..

Is it a Blazzing Blizzard Albino? So there's cases like there are DB w/ red eye, an cases with no red eye, why is this.

Sorry guys, im about purchasing some het's maybe a female DB and want to know about the genetics of them..

JorgeV

 

[crotaphytidae]

The Diablo Blanco is a triple recessive combination morph. It combines the Eclipse gene + Tremper line Albino + Blizzard = Diablo Blanco. So the animals should show some form of the eclipse gene at some point in development.

 

[paulnj]

:main_yes:

 

[Jorgevill]

Thanks guys, so if I buy a tremper het diablo, she will be a Tremper Het Eclipse Blizzard?

 

[paulnj]

tremper het raptor(eclipse) and blizzard, but yes you're correct.

 

[thestack510]

I've heard of people saying they have black eyed DBs, but DB originates from RAPTOR x BB, so all of the DBs should have red eyes, with the exception of the Xanthics, which have yellow eyes. DBs have been line bred so that they are their own morph, they are not het RAPTOR or BB, according to RT. The non albino form being Diablos as opposed to Diablo Blancos.

 

[supperl]

and I would say it doesn´t realy need to be a patternless stripe Raptor only an albino with red eyes as Tremper wrote someone here in a letter that you would get onyl banded Eclipse albinos from DB*Raptor

 

[David Loftin]

It could look like they have black eyes.. If the DB's were incubated in lower temps.. I had a raptor hatch out that I incubated at 80 degrees.. it looked like an eclipse.. Until I flashed a light in its eye and saw it was red and not black. Also, as it got older it became a lot more apparent.. But anyways..

And.. Xanthics are weird. :x

 

[thestack510]

I want to try for a Xanthic, but not next breeding, I have some other ideas for them next time around. I have juvenile DBs from this last season that are growing nicely. Crosses, crosses, crosses!

 

[thestack510]

Exactly...

and I would say it doesn´t realy need to be a patternless stripe Raptor only an albino with red eyes as Tremper wrote someone here in a letter that you would get onyl banded Eclipse albinos from DB*Raptor

DB x RAPTOR double hets sound good to me.

 

[supperl]

But I wonder why you can´t even get a single Raptor from it or just jungles or striped. I mean is that outbreed that the DB is not ht for the Pattern genes we see in Rapto breeding?

 

[thestack510]

DBs have no pattern at any stage of their life. They are born with a stark white base color and sometimes with yellow over tones, and they stay that way throughout their lives. They must take the base color from their Blizzard background. It may be different patternless genes, since they don't correspond. I don't know. I think we'd have to ask RT to get the best answer since they're both his handy work, though I know he wasn't the first to produce Blizzards. Not that no one else could give a qualified answer, just that he knows the whole background from start to finish about his lines. I don't know much about the Blizzards at all, but the Blazing Blizzard is what peaked my interest in Leos when they first hit the scene years ago. It is remarkable how far things have come in those years.

 

[supperl]

Ken, what I meant is if the DB is a combo of a true Raptor and a BB you would have an Eclipse Albino patternless stripe BLizzard.
You won´t see the patternless stripe due to the dominance of the Blizzard gen(even thought I have a theory here^^).
If the DB is a true raptor, breeding a Raptor to it would produce Raptors and not only Eclipse whatever albinos.
But Ron wrote here that Banded Rators would be the outcome of that cross which makes me think it is only a Eclipse albino like a Banded Mack Snow Raptor is not a real Mack SNow Raptor.
But thats what I think I mean many ppl just say a Banded is a Raptor for sure the P in Raptor is funny than^^

And for the yellowish ones, I know that Banana BB have a lemonish colour or at least I saw one here that should be one. If so it could be that he yellowish DB or Blanco are for example realy Raptor BB or Aptor BB an the patternless stripe gen together with the Blizzard gen causes a yellowish colour.
But thats only a few things I had to think about due to the differences we see in this Morph.

 

[thestack510]

Banded "raptors" and true RAPTORs come out of the same projects, but you're right, banded "raptors" do have a pattern, therefore are not true to the RAPTOR label. RT even labels them differently like I did above, so you can tell the difference. DBs are not really considered true RAPTORs. That's like comparing apples to oranges. DBs do not have the orange (carrot) tail that a true RAPTOR should.

 

[supperl]

I think of a Raptor as a Patternless or nearly patternless animal.
Everything else should be named different like Jungel Eclipse Albino or Banded Eclipse Albino or Reverse Stripe Eclipse Albino. But to make it easy Banded Raptor is also okay.
And no in the meaning of the label RAPTOR

The exciting R.A.P.T.O.R. is an A.P.T.O.R. expressing the gene for all ruby-red eyes

A.P.T.O.R. = a Carrot-head, Carrot-tail, Hypo Tangerine, Patternless, Tremper Albino in both normal and Giant size

a Banded can´t be a RAPTOR but a Banded Eclipse Albino that´s fact by the defination of the one that breed it first ;-)

 

[thestack510]

That's right. That's why he puts the Banded "raptor" in quotes instead of as an acronym, like R.A.P.T.O.R. It doesn't fulfill all of the requirements. It's not much more than RT's marketing. The Banded "raptors" are Eclipse Albinos as you said.

 

[thestack510]

If he marketed them each for exactly what they are things would get even more crazy. Then we might have R.A.P.T.O.R.s, A.P.T.O.R.s, R.A.P.T.s, or various others combos to have to label.

 

[supperl]

Yeah or basically Banded Eclipse Albinos ;-)

 

[thestack510]

Yup. The name game is crazy for sure.

 

[supperl]

Hey Ken don´t get me wrong I also name a Banded Raptor a Banded Raptor it is easier ;-)
Just wanted to say that the DB should hatch pure Raptors if breed with a pure Raptor.
And I guess the ones that are patty stripe are the ones that are yellowish but as said I dunno I could proof it in 2010 or so^^