Enigma prices

[Grinning Geckos]

Hand out gecko birth control pills for geckos, and prozac for people?

 

[bro paul]

Hand out gecko birth control pills for geckos, and prozac for people?

Thank you Shanti...
I needed a good laugh:main_laugh:

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

It would be great if a morph could actually HOLD it's value for a change.

 

[supperl]

Well I think Enigmas have big potential. There are for sure many realy cool things to do with them but I personally like the normals most and it seems they won´t hold their price that extreme.
Okay I mean I´m not the best with prices for Geckos and so on but as I startet with talking about Enigmas on $2500 and that only 6 month ago or so and now we see Enigmas for $1000 and I think thats much but it´s an dominant trait which makes it easy to breed so it´s in case not much for such a trait? Dunno Well I like the normal withish looking Enigmas and if I get the chance to get one next year for a good price like 400-500 I would buy one(don´t want to say that they are not their actual price worth but it´s too much for me^^).

bye
BTW: Kelli have you got my mail for the Aptor inquiery?

 

[eyelids]

Okay I mean I´m not the best with prices for Geckos and so on but as I startet with talking about Enigmas on $2500 and that only 6 month ago or so

Actually the ones you are seeing for $1000 were $1500 (females only) last Summer... Considering the people who bought them have produced many Enigmas since and that males have been available for the better part of 2007 the price is doing very well... I still believe their prices (plain jane Enigmas) will decrease by almost half next year...

 

[Mel&Keith]

I know that when Kelli started selling them at the beginning of the year they were all large females and $1500. We bought ours in January for that price so to see similar geckos half that size being sold for $1000 10 months later really isn't a very dramatic decrease.

 

[Baysidegeckos]

I think Enigmas well easily be around $250-$300 at daytona Next Year!

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I think Enigmas well easily be around $250-$300 at daytona Next Year!

I hope not...

 

[supperl]

Okay it can be that I was wrong with the gener that could possibly be(I haven´t startet thinking in the male is much more expensive in teh beginning ways^^)

 

[Baysidegeckos]

I think so bc people are gonna focus on buying enigmas that are het for some thing and buying combo morphs of enigmas like tang enigmas, enigmas het tremper, her raptor het bell, het patternless, het blizzard. No body is gonna want to wait another generstion just to produce hets, they will spend the extra money for the hets next year not the oridinary non het Enigmas! And plus at Daytona u can get some really good deals on almost any gecko!

 

[Mel&Keith]

I think so bc people are gonna focus on buying enigmas that are het for some thing and buying combo morphs of enigmas like tang enigmas, enigmas het tremper, her raptor het bell, het patternless, het blizzard. No body is gonna want to wait another generstion just to produce hets, they will spend the extra money for the hets next year not the oridinary non het Enigmas! And plus at Daytona u can get some really good deals on almost any gecko!

I don't know that anyone is really selling many non-het Enigmas. Almost all of the ones I've seen for sale are het Bell, Tremper, Blizzard, etc.

 

[Baysidegeckos]

Yea actually thats true, but i still think there are gonna be $300 enigmas next year at daytona.

 

[lytlesnake]

From a small breeder's perspective, if the enigma prices hold up for another 6-8 months I'll be happy, and I might actually make some money. I pretty much missed the price wave on raptors, so I haven't even bothered to list the ones I hatched this year. When I saw baby raptors for $200-$275 on kingsnake I was a little upset actually. No way, I'd rather keep them! It looks like I may have just caught the tail end of the wave on these enigma hybrids. Fingers crossed.

Here's an example of price drops, not meant to ruffle any feathers, just something to keep in mind. In the past few years, the big breeders of Albino Honduran milksnakes sold a bunch of animals for thousands of dollars each, then proceeded to drop the prices drastically. They were going for under $200 last year. The people who spent thousands on their breeder animals are very upset about their lost investment. It seems to me that the big breeders miscalculated, or were hungry to sell off their stock in a hurry. I know geckos can breed in one year and milksnakes take 2-3 years, but it's not an entirely pointless comparison. Breeders feel pressure to balance their prices between the current market, and the animals they've already sold. It's all about timing I guess.

Considering that geckos breed much faster than colubrids, and that enigma is a dominant trait, I think people like Steve Sykes are doing a great job at keeping the price up. I must admit I was a little concerned when I checked Kelli's site the other day and saw a bunch of enigmas with lower prices. I agree with Kelli, however, that the price is holding very well, considering how fast a dominant trait leopard gecko can be reproduced. And those mack enigmas are beautiful Kelli. I love the mack bell! I'm hoping to hatch some of those next year.

 

[supperl]

Well I just think It doesn´t matter what Enigma,
There are for sure ppl with maybe 30-50 females each male Enigma(it´s possible right?<-- I dunno much about the number of girls a male can have fun with in a season^^)
But Let´s say each Enigma male 20 females, the number of Offsprings that can hatch is extreme high I would say. And around the half is Enigma(statistically).
And I think there are ppl with enought Tremper or Bell or BB females that they can use for it. And as you don´t have to work in next gen to get Enigmas it is way easy to produce them.

The realy expensive Engimas will be morphs like MSAlbino Enigmas ar Sunglow Enigmas or such stuff that maybe brings a bloodhypo to another level.

I think Enigmas have many potential and that these combos will hold their prices way long but I´m talking about the normals maybe het Albino or Blizard Enigmas that may get cheaper.

 

[lytlesnake]

So you think I'll do alright with my giant tremper albino enigmas het patternless? Should I put a raptor or a jungle on the other girl? I'm thinking probably raptor. :main_evilgrin:

 

[zenonleo]

Enigma have got special gen . This is 4 albino gen . This is eye mutation . So enigmas can have red eye background

Enigma x bella lbino = enigma het. bell
Enigma het bell. x Bell albino = Bell Enigma

i think for next Year price will be 1500 $ mayby 1200 $

 

[trizzypballr]

I think the main problem is everyone is speculating Enigmas prices to drop, well guess what. In the long run everyone here rambling off these low prices are helping the price drop. Im not saying everyone takes what they read as the bible, but there will be alot of people out there who are going to say hey I read on GF that the Enigmas are going to bottom out, so why would I want to touch this project. Now guess what, there are alot of people producing Enigmas, and people get attitudes like that and people are going to struggle to sell them, what happens then? Can you say panic and price drop? I personally think the Enigmas have held their prices very nicely. Kelli has done a great job with them and everyone else seems to be working together quite nicely to hold the prices on Enigmas. Everyone is shooting at these low ball figures of what Enigmas will be worth next year, I think they will still be up there... Im still kicking myself for not jumping on one of the origional enigmas. I would have been glad to be getting what people are getting for enigmas right now. Think of how much profit people made off just 1 project... Well worth it in my opinion

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

Just a little question? Of all the people predicting a price drop, how many of you currently own enigmas?



Maybe some people are innocently hoping for a price drop.



I think that the prices will start to be determined on many new factors. Genetics, color and pattern will all play a role.

I think that the prices have been very reasonable thus far.

 

[paulnj]

Jeremy , I do think they will drop on average looking one as the market get more animals. How much, I don't know nor do I care to guess. You are correct in my opinion that genetics and intensity of appearance will play a major factor in pricing as will availablity of those top quality animals.

 

[lytlesnake]

Yep, good point. I don't think too many people are going to breed their enigma to 30 or more different females. This would be shooting yourself in the foot in my opinion, unless you have a lot of rich customers lined up, and a staff to care for all those geckos. It's much better to produce a reasonably small amount of animals so the supply doesn't outstrip the demand. That's part of what caused the honduran milksnake market crash. Just like last year, people started selling snow hondurans for pretty cheap, because there were more snows than buyers.

So it's really up to breeders whether they want to produce a lot of animals (which could drive the price down), or produce fewer, more valuable animals. I guess there's a happy median for everybody.