Enigma x Enigma

[Uroplatus80]

I have gotten a lot of contradictory answers to this question so I was wondering what you guys think.
Is breeding an Enigma to an Enigma a bad idea?
Will the offspring be more prone to problems?
I know there is no super form but it would be nice to get like 75% black holes out of a pairing.
Just wondering.

 

[Palor]

I would never breed Enigma to Enigma.

 

[goReptiles]

Not a good idea. Here are already so many issues wig enigma that it enhances the risks and odds.

I am sure there are others that can I've you a more technical reason it is a bad thing.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

A good comparison IMO is the spider ball python and its' neurological disorder. It is said not to breed 2 spiders together for the same reason as enigmas. Personally, I wouldn't want to and waste an entire breeding season on such a high risk project.

 

[Imperial Geckos]

A good comparison IMO is the spider ball python and its' neurological disorder. It is said not to breed 2 spiders together for the same reason as enigmas. Personally, I wouldn't want to and waste an entire breeding season on such a high risk project.

I have seen offspring from Spider x Spider, and all the spiders were fine, only 1 had a small "wobble".. its a spider...who would have thought?? :main_rolleyes:

Also Caramel Albino balls are famous for kinking...supposably only het x het. or homo. x het. breeidng should be done because if not all the babies will come out deformed... i have seen Caramel x Caramel offspring... 0 kinks :main_thumbsup:

Hater Blocker time :main_cool3: I think if the Enigmas you are trying to breed are "symptom" free, then why not breed them?? Enigma's wobble and do weird things. Cant evade that, period. Some will, some wont. But i dont think breeding Enigma x Enigma will increase your odds of having "messed up" Enigmas hatching out.

If anyone wants "syndrome" free Enigmas buy "White & Yellow's"

If you decide to breed them, make sure to post on here pictures of all the offspring and also post a percentage of all the Enigmas that hatch out, which ones have the "syndrome" and which ones dont.

Good Luck! :main_thumbsup:

 

[roger]

I have gotten a lot of contradictory answers to this question so I was wondering what you guys think.
Is breeding an Enigma to an Enigma a bad idea?
Will the offspring be more prone to problems?
I know there is no super form but it would be nice to get like 75% black holes out of a pairing.
Just wondering.

IMO I wouldn't even breed one enigma let alone two.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

I'm glad the odds have been in your favor Alex

 

[Uroplatus80]

I am not asking About the ethics of Breeding enigmas.
I know some people are against enigmas and that is your own choice but please don't post on here just to Flame Enigmas.
The point of the question is if all Enigmas are at risk to exhibit problems does the EnigmaxEnigma cross actually cause more problems.Has there been any test breeding done that proves that it increases problems.

 

[RAlbrecht]

Enigma X Enigma isn't suggested due to the problems that it can create...
Granted breed Enigma X Another Morph - you can still have some "Enigma Syndromes"
But why would you want to risk it? Would you really want to buy a leopard gecko that chases its tail??

Breeding Enigma x Enigma will give you a larger percentage per egg to get a Enigma so yes it will increase the chance for your geckos to have the "Enigma Syndrome"

Simply put yes you can do it.... but you are increasing the risks of having more geckos with more problems... Why risk it? Are you ready to accept the responsibility of caring for all of the special geckos you produce that no one wants? Just because some people have seen Spider x Spider BP's with out issues doesn't mean thats the norm, because its not.
Don't take advice from people who don't even breed leopard geckos, its a bad idea.

 

[Imperial Geckos]

Robert, just because I don't currently breed leopard geckos doesn't mean I have never bred them or have experience with them.

If you are dealing with Enigmas you know they can have the syndrome. You know the risk. Breeding is all about odds. You can breed an Enigma x Normal and get 100% Enigmas and they can all have a wobble, is that the norm? No. Can it happen? Absoultly. But Anyone breeding enigmas knows what they are getting into. So I don't see why it's a bad idea to breed 2 perfectly "normal" enigmas together.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

I am not asking About the ethics of Breeding enigmas.
I know some people are against enigmas and that is your own choice but please don't post on here just to Flame Enigmas.
The point of the question is if all Enigmas are at risk to exhibit problems does the EnigmaxEnigma cross actually cause more problems.Has there been any test breeding done that proves that it increases problem.

There is much still not understood about the disorder. Not enough conclusive evidence has been established to have a report but there is an ongoing study. Kelli H. may have more info on that.

It is my understanding that just because an enigma shows no symptoms does not mean its' offspring won't. I've never bred enigmas but did buy one to study it. She will NOT be bred since she does show symptoms. But she's the sweetest cutest thing and I don't regret getting her.

So to breed it to another enigma, it would have a double chance PER egg to not just be an enigma, but an enigma with issues.

 

[Jordan]

enigma x enigma obviously means more enigmas, well 100% enigma's, for all those eggs the chance is all the same that it can be syndrome free or not.
same with enigma x normal, the eggs that are enigma all have the same chance as each other at being syndrome free or not.
SO either way youve got chance of getting enigmas with bad syndrome so you may as well go for the pairing where you get more enigmas (enigma x enigma), and if you get some bad offspring, well, it was going to happen anyway, but youll have more enigmas from this pairing.

What im saying is, of enigma x enigma produces say 10 enigmas and enigma x normal say produces 5 enigmas's 5 normals. And you get out of a pairing 2 bad enigmas. At least from the enigma x enigma youve got 8 good enigmas, rather than just 3 from pairing enigma x normal. just my opinion.

 

[T-ReXx]

It is my understanding(and experience) that besides increasing the percentage of enigma animals and therefore increasing the odds of getting "problem" animals, enigmaXenigma also has been known to cause a higher percentage of deformities, in-egg death, and failure to thrive in the offspring. You have a much higher percentage of problems when crossing enigmas, so why risk it to begin with?

 

[THE WHISPERER]

I bred Enigma to Enigma and have seen no difference from Enigma to non Enigma. I have also got a non Enigma Gecko from Enigma X Enigma. I've seen a lot of people say not to do this pairing, but I've also brought up before how many that say this speak from experience verses just passing on an opinion they've read?

 

[KelliH]

I agree with What Rick posted.

 

[Uroplatus80]

Thanks for all of the replies.
I am going to Try an EnigmaxEnigma cross this year.
I will post everything I find out as it progresses.

 

[Gazz]

Email TUG about there Enigma to Enigma results.


Type: Red-Eyed Enigma
Rating: 4 Star
Sire: Red-Eyed Enigma
Dam: Red-Eyed Enigma
Hatch: September 24, 2009
Weight: 23 grams
Sex: Male
Comments: Awesome color and intense eyes.
http://www.theurbangecko.com/images/pop_up/available/leopard/9.jpg

Type: Red-Eyed Enigma
Rating: 4 Star
Sire: Red-Eyed Enigma
Dam: Red-Eyed Enigma
Hatch: September 23, 2009
Weight: 22 grams
Sex: Male
Comments: A unique looking gecko.
http://www.theurbangecko.com/images/pop_up/available/leopard/15.jpg