Females Nipping each other

[Russ S]

well I have no option until tomorrow until i can acquire supplies for my other 2 tanks
Unless you think they would be fine in the cages with just paper towels and no water dish or food for a day or so?

Is it odd to anyone else that the geckos were just put together, and yet there is nowhere to house the females?

 

[robin]

can you say lack of quarantine?

 

[Gymped]

I dont like the thought of putting them back into 6 Qt rubbermaids after moving them 2x today I have them split up 2 females and a male in my 46 gallon bow front 2 females in a 20 gallon long and 2 females in my extra large Exo terra terrarium. So that should suffice.

 

[Adinar]

I dont like the thought of putting them back into 6 Qt rubbermaids after moving them 2x today I have them split up 2 females and a male in my 46 gallon bow front 2 females in a 20 gallon long and 2 females in my extra large Exo terra terrarium. So that should suffice.

Um... if it involved my animals saftey and well being I would move them a hundred times a day if I had to.

 

[roger]

I dont like the thought of putting them back into 6 Qt rubbermaids after moving them 2x today I have them split up 2 females and a male in my 46 gallon bow front 2 females in a 20 gallon long and 2 females in my extra large Exo terra terrarium. So that should suffice.[/QUO




Again all animals must be SEPERATED if you dont want an injured animal.You have some aggresion with some of your animals and you continually want to house them together.All sorts of people have told you to seperate them and you dont take our advice.Most of us that believe leos should be housed seperately have experience to back up our suggestions.

 

[Adinar]

Is it odd to anyone else that the geckos were just put together, and yet there is nowhere to house the females?

I just find it odd that there have been a few threads lately where the OP has been asking questions then arguing the given advice.

 

[Jellybean]

I personally only breed my females at a minimum of 2 years of age. They need to experience what its like to have no parental responsibilities for a good while before worrying bout dealing with annoying little kids!

 

[Adinar]

They need to experience what its like to have no parental responsibilities for a good while before worrying bout dealing with annoying little kids!

That makes no sense what does this have to do with breeding them when they are below the recommended weight as mentioned in the above posts? Even if it did, what does it even mean? :main_huh::main_no:

 

[roger]

I personally only breed my females at a minimum of 2 years of age. They need to experience what its like to have no parental responsibilities for a good while before worrying bout dealing with annoying little kids!

??????? Jelly bean I worry about you man Are you ok ??:smash:

 

[Gymped]

for the above poster when I said I didnt like the thought of putting them back into the 6qt container for each of them was because of stress but like I said there are 2 per cage now and no more aggression has been seen so I hope all is well I have never had this problem with any other leos or AFTs before ever so that is why I asked. so thanks for all the help I wasnt argueing my motives or method of thought just wanted to be sure that I wasnt the only person to ever have housed more than one leo together with a little bit of trouble

 

[Dog Shrink]

Honestly it sounds to me like you want to have a large community tank to show off your herps... which is fine... leos aren't the one to do that with... I think maybe a little closer analysis of what exactly it is you want to do, then acquire the proper herp to suit that insted of trying to convert a non-communal herp to your desire. There are lots of very nice herps that can live peacefully in a community and are not difficult to breed, but regardless of the herp you're working with you must wait for it to properly mature before subjecting it to any breeding program; not only to make sure the animal can survive breeding but also to ensure the potential breeder doesn't have any developmental issues themselves. Just for future reference, the search bar would have yielded you plenty of results if you would have tried - incompatible pairings search or community tank, (there's several different ways you could have worded it) - even just with in the last month, several posts about it. You would have seen you aren't alone, and it isn't recommended for leos. Hopefully it works out a little better with just 2 to a tank but even still be ready to seperate into those tubs if hostilities arise again, and please wait for them to fully mature before breeding (gives you some more time to go marinate in the forum archives :main_thumbsup: ). Good luck.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

There are people who have successful community leopard gecko tanks. They also have the experience in keeping these animals to know a potential danger. Proper introductions were made. It was absolutely not a rush into and get them in the big tank because it will look fantastic. Additional suitable housing was always available in case of an immediate separation due to compatibility issues. A 35 gram male can, will, and has mated with similar size females. Juvenile females lay eggs at 30 grams. This is what will happen if you insist on rushing into this community tank situation. Then you will be posting another thread .....

Slow down and step back. Give your animals what is best for THEM.

 

[Gymped]

it wasnt so much to showcase them but a 6qt like I said by themselves seemed a bit small for a 30g female, I hope that I will not have any problems with females in a 46 gallon bow, if I do I will move them immediately back to their own enclosures but housing was never a problem just put them together instead of in a rack with little rubbermaids, since removing the biggest female I have 1 male and female in one 2 females in another and 2 females in another along with the biggest female in her own 6 qt for the time being. I dont want any harm to them that is why I posted this immediately follow the first incident and have done pretty much all I can to prevent any harm, but about the male and female situation, I guess back in 1999 when I got my first Leo I was naive to house 1 male and 1 female together from juvenilles, but back then not nearly as much was known about them back then, never had any issues thank god I guess I will have to see how this all goes.

 

[robin]

none of those geckos should be bred. they are too small. do your research

 

[Gymped]

was not planning on breeding them until ample size

 

[Russ S]

If you house males with females, breeding will occur.

 

[Gymped]

this can occur even if male is not of sexual maturity has no profound anal pores or any secretion about the cage?

"Mating can be a somewhat violent affair in geckos, and we get many questions about separation of the sexes as a result. At VMS, we have NEVER separated the sexes at any time. We maintain our colonies in groups of one male and up to five females together year-round with few problems. In fact, we believe most of these aggression problems occur when the geckos are first introduced. So separating them and periodically re-introducing them may actually make the situation endlessly repeat itself!"

www.vmsherp.com

I also had 3 breeders tell me the same thing.

So that is where I got my overall first idea from just so that I don't sound like the only one to try it.

This is a learning experience for me also as much as I already know and have done in the past every time I try to learn something new so anymore information regarding the above and when that situation is acceptable is greatly appreciate as I hate having my reptiles put into about 20 different tubs.

 

[robin]

this can occur even if male is not of sexual maturity has no profound anal pores or any secretion about the cage?

a 31 gram male? yes

 

[Russ S]

I am through offering you advise. You obviously know everything about Leopard geckos, so there is nothing further for me to tell you.

Perhaps if you weren't so argumentative I would feel differently.

 

[roger]

this can occur even if male is not of sexual maturity has no profound anal pores or any secretion about the cage?

"Mating can be a somewhat violent affair in geckos, and we get many questions about separation of the sexes as a result. At VMS, we have NEVER separated the sexes at any time. We maintain our colonies in groups of one male and up to five females together year-round with few problems. In fact, we believe most of these aggression problems occur when the geckos are first introduced. So separating them and periodically re-introducing them may actually make the situation endlessly repeat itself!"

www.vmsherp.com

I also had 3 breeders tell me the same thing.

So that is where I got my overall first idea from just so that I don't sound like the only one to try it.

This is a learning experience for me also as much as I already know and have done in the past every time I try to learn something new so anymore information regarding the above and when that situation is acceptable is greatly appreciate as I hate having my reptiles put into about 20 different tubs.

Im also done giving you suggestions.Why are u posting and asking us for info? You seem to be quoting from a source that you are accepting which is fine but then dont debate us when we are offering info through our experience.