for all you tremper lovers !!!!

[robin]

the original trempers were beautiful until you got them home, then they turned brown. and then when ya bred them they had dark babies.
hence the term "dookie browns"

chocolate albinos
dark phase trempers
chocolates

whatever you want to call them, they are just dookie browns.

it was all nice that at that time he didnt reveal, the color changing abilities and the "secret incubation"
and people were paying in upwards of 1000 per albino.
wasnt that nice of him. real honest eh?

 

[preacherman]

These "dookie browns" were all incubated at 83 degrees, no secret incubation formula involved.

 

[robin]

i am talking around 1998 when the tremper albinos first became available. it wasnt until about 4 years ago when he introduced the hypo into his line that the brown was reduced and the ending result over several generations is geckos that look like yours, incubated at low temps.

 

[KelliH]

OK.

Even though Robin is a bad girl and a smart alec, she is correct. And btw Robin, I cannot belive you still have that picture we "found".

 

[SaSobek]

love him or hate him. but if Ron never worked with leopard geckos were would are hobby be?

in my opinion Ron is not a bad guy at all. he has always answered every question that i have had. yes some times he may say that something is one way and it might turn out to be different. but i belive that with anything that is new lots of test breeding has to be done to make sure what exactly it is.


even if the first trempers were brown. look at them now.

people that are gecko breeders are part of a family. like it or not we all knowingly or not help are hobby. by trying to produse the best animals possable (color, pattern, ect) alot of great work by great breeders is going on right now. with in the last couple of years look at all the things that have come about. sometimes we have to look past how people sell the animals and look at what they could be. i bet no one 98 thought we could get trempers the way they are today. just think how far the bell and rainwater line will go as well.

welll that is just me. i hope i didnt offend anyone. and thank you kelli for this forum were we can talk about things and also all your work you are doing with the bells and your other lines.

 

[boutiquegecko]

Kinda makes one wonder what bells will be looking like in 10 years time or so.

 

[marula]

:main_laugh: :main_laugh: :main_laugh:
robin!!!!!! you aremy hero !!!! :main_laugh: :main_laugh:
is nothing against ron..he is a really available person and breeder..but the first focus in his breeding program is the marketing..
yes, he is a member of the family , but in the "dark side"
...btw...i don't think ron is a bad person...but i prefer buy my geckos from other breeders, with a different "first priority" in their breeding programm...
i don't discuss about his capacity and knowledge...but i prefer buy geckos from who give a name at his/her 300 gecko...

 

[preacherman]

i am talking around 1998 when the tremper albinos first became available. it wasnt until about 4 years ago when he introduced the hypo into his line that the brown was reduced and the ending result over several generations is geckos that look like yours, incubated at low temps.

I get it now. And by the way, Robin, you can keep the "smart alec" comments coming. It keeps things lively around here

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I happen to like "dookie brown" Trempers.

 

[trizzypballr]

I actully do to, seems that U and I are alone though Marcia. I love the realy deep color tremper tangs with the 'dookie brown'

 

[KelliH]

Agreed, dookies are nice!

 

[Sunshine State Exotics]

I happen to like "dookie brown" Trempers.

Me too... I produced some nice dookies this year

 

[robin]

love him or hate him. but if Ron never worked with leopard geckos were would are hobby be?

in my opinion Ron is not a bad guy at all. he has always answered every question that i have had. yes some times he may say that something is one way and it might turn out to be different. but i belive that with anything that is new lots of test breeding has to be done to make sure what exactly it is.


even if the first trempers were brown. look at them now.

people that are gecko breeders are part of a family. like it or not we all knowingly or not help are hobby. by trying to produse the best animals possable (color, pattern, ect) alot of great work by great breeders is going on right now. with in the last couple of years look at all the things that have come about. sometimes we have to look past how people sell the animals and look at what they could be. i bet no one 98 thought we could get trempers the way they are today. just think how far the bell and rainwater line will go as well.

welll that is just me. i hope i didnt offend anyone. and thank you kelli for this forum were we can talk about things and also all your work you are doing with the bells and your other lines.

what if ron didnt get those albinos? someone else would have and there would be most likely the same geckos and no disception about things. i dont know if you know where his albinos came from but most of us do. maybe he can breed geckos but its his ethics that get me

 

[robin]

dookies can be coool yes but they used to not have any tang in them now we are talking a brown with some pink and yellow. they were not attractive, wait thats not fair it's not that they were not attractive but the thing was he was very deseptiive and misleading in them.
how about you buy a beautiful white and yellow albino, then take it outside to get some photos and it happenes to be a lil cool outside and the gecko imediately turns brown and stays that way. then not until 2 years later is it released that these geckos were incubated "special" to get these colors and you must keep them warm all the time for the geckos to keep their colors and again mind you 1000 for these geckos that were being sold under not so honest, misleading and deceptive means.
i wish. chris newsome would post. he has some fantastic photos of geckos bought from ron in like 98 or 99 or so and progression photos as well.

 

[brandy101010]

I like the dookie brown geckos too but I don't think I count because I think all geckos are cute. I also think my feeder roaches are cute and half feel bad feeding them to my geckos......

 

[trizzypballr]

Very true Robin. I would imagine alot of people were pretty upset, believing that what they had was caused by genetics, when it was simply caused by temperatures. Didnt anyone catch on when they were breeding them, or is that how it was actully leaked to the public?

 

[robin]

well the facts that some of the animals people recieved and that when bred and incubated normally brown trempers would emerge.so yeah people knew they were turning brown, maybe they thought it was something they were doing wrong as far as nutrition and stuff. i dont actually know. so eventually (like 2 years later) he actually divulged the info on how he incubated them to create the white and yellow or white and orange geckos (with no brown) by altering the incubation temps and such

and yes PEOPLE were VERY upset

 

[SaSobek]

very true robin. some one eles might have done the work. yes i did know that he didnt hatch the first one. I am sure that the way he dose thing alot of people dont buy from him. you are right from what i hear that the ethics arent the best sometimes. i can realy see your point. im just saying that i have nothing against the man. and that i look at it from what we have gotten from him gecko wise. it dose suck when people buy something and it turns out to be less then expected. and i do feel for the people that got the first albinos and were disapointed (i know i would be upset as well). You are all right in the fact that it is better to by from slightly smaller breeders. that have a better idea of what you are getting. plus alot of them raise the babys in individual tubs.

sorry robin if it seams like i was sticking up for ron or something. i guess i just see things differently sometimes. i was trying to look at the good points from ron even though im sure there are alot of bad. i know you have been doing this along time as well and i respect your oppinion on this.


yea i have hatched out some dark lookng ones too, when i first started just because i didnt know the incubation trick.

 

[robin]

to me it's not the geckos but his ethics. would i buy from him? no why? not because what he has isnt nice. but when i see what he has done in the past it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. one thing i can not stand is dishonesty. i mean what keeps him from doing the same now?
just my opinion though

 

[GeckoStud]

I happen to like "dookie brown" Trempers.

I do too... :main_yes: .