Genetics of Mack Snows

[jaredm3624]

When dealing with a MS in a project, what can you count on getting? I don't know how to deal with it al yet and I'm still trying to learn. If I were to breed a MS male to a RAPTOR female, what would I get? Normals 50% het RAPTOR? Thanks in advane guys.

 

[fallen_angel]

A Mack Snow with any other leo that does not carry the Mack Snow trait will yield 50% Mack Snows and 50% normals.
Two Mack Snows together produce 25% normals, 50% Mack Snows, and 25% Super Snows.
A Mack Snow with a Super Snow yields 50% Mack Snows, 50% Super Snows.
A Super Snow with a normal produces 100% Mack Snows.
Two Super Snows together will produce 100% Super Snows.


So in your case, a Mack Snow male and a RAPTOR female would produce 50% Mack Snows, 50% normals, all of which would be het. for RAPTOR.

 

[thekooliest]

hey jess...just to go along with the post...how about a normal and a mack snow?
(thanks this helped me)

 

[fallen_angel]

a normal and a Mack Snow is 50% normals and 50% Mack Snows :main_yes:

 

[jaredm3624]

A Mack Snow with any other leo that does not carry the Mack Snow trait will yield 50% Mack Snows and 50% normals.
Two Mack Snows together produce 25% normals, 50% Mack Snows, and 25% Super Snows.
A Mack Snow with a Super Snow yields 50% Mack Snows, 50% Super Snows.
A Super Snow with a normal produces 100% Mack Snows.
Two Super Snows together will produce 100% Super Snows.


So in your case, a Mack Snow male and a RAPTOR female would produce 50% Mack Snows, 50% normals, all of which would be het. for RAPTOR.

would they be 50 percent or 100 percent het RAPTOR? I thought it would only be 50. Am I wrong?

 

[shadowx362]

would they be 50 percent or 100 percent het RAPTOR? I thought it would only be 50. Am I wrong?

100% het Raptor for all the babies. The only way you would get 50% was if the female was like an Aptor het raptor.

 

[jaredm3624]

Ok, cool. That's good news for me then. I'll be happy to make some female MS het RAPTORs. I already have a male MS het RAPTOR.

 

[Gecko Euphoria]

Youd get mack het Raptors, Normal het Raptors, normals, Macks, both 100% het Raptor

When dealing with a MS in a project, what can you count on getting? I don't know how to deal with it al yet and I'm still trying to learn. If I were to breed a MS male to a RAPTOR female, what would I get? Normals 50% het RAPTOR? Thanks in advane guys.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

...and you can count on yellow Snows, no matter the color of your breeders.

 

[pkrtech]

...and you can count on yellow Snows, no matter the color of your breeders.

why you say that? Is the only way to get little to no yellow is line breeding ? I was thinking about producing some mack snows variations with very little yellow or none using parents that were not directly linked with little to none yellowing.

 

[thekooliest]

Thanks Jess.
That really helped, right now I have a mack snow (one of my favorites ) and a normal, both female. I have had them for 3 weeks and am considering breeding next year, or the year after. So I think I might go with a mack snow female to try and produce macks.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Well I have not seen many non-yellow Mack Snows, since they were first released. The "nicer" white ones are not very common. You can breed the best together, and you will more than likely get some "nicer" ones, but you can also produce yellow ones. Just like you can produce white ones from yellow parents, or even Mack X something else. Depending on what it is, of course. Tangerine line/ Mack crosses, tend to produce more yellow, and even some orange Macks.

 

[pkrtech]

Well I have not seen many non-yellow Mack Snows, since they were first released. The "nicer" white ones are not very common. You can breed the best together, and you will more than likely get some "nicer" ones, but you can also produce yellow ones. Just like you can produce white ones from yellow parents, or even Mack X something else. Depending on what it is, of course. Tangerine line/ Mack crosses, tend to produce more yellow, and even some orange Macks.

your making it sound like the coloring's of the parents are irrelevant, I would assume two white mack snows have a better chance to produce more white snows than producing yellowed.

Basically throwing out the concept of selective breeding. Or are you saying this is something with just mack snows?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Did not realy mean it that way. You`de have a better chance at hatching white Macks, from white parents. That does not mean you have a better chance at hatching white ones(aside from the Super Snows), than yellow ones. The washed out looking yellow-ish color is the one produced more often, than not.

Yes, this only pertains to Mack Snows as far as I know. I`m sure you can selectively breed them for more white, but it is not as easy as with actual "linebred" Snows. Since Macks were never very white to begin with(they are just "visible hets" for Super Snow), and there have been more normal and Tangerine genes bred into them over the years.


IMO Mack X linebred should give you a greater number of white Macks, since there would be less normal influence, which most of them seem to have.

Anyway, it is because we are dealing with a incomplete dominant gene. We get a mix between the two phenotypes(mix between pure white Super Snows and Normals) so we get a mixture in the "heterozygous" form. A.k.a. Mack Snow ("het Super Snow")

 

[pkrtech]

Did not realy mean it that way. You`de have a better chance at hatching white Macks, from white parents. That does not mean you have a better chance at hatching white ones(aside from the Super Snows), than yellow ones. The washed out looking yellow-ish color is the one produced more often, than not.

huh ? you just contradicted yourself ?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

No I did not. The color of the parent is relevant. Still you`de have a better chance at hatching white ones(period) from white parents. That is not the same thing as hatching more white ones than yellow ones. Those would be two totally different ideas.

1. Producing more white ones in general. Meaning maybe you`de hatch a few more white ones than you would if you used non-white Macks. *I mention nothing about the yellow ones here.*

2. Producing more white ones than yellow ones. Meaning hatching more white Snows, than yellow ones. This is not likely IMO, for all of the reasons I have mentioned.

I would assume two white mack snows have a better chance to produce more white snows than producing yellowed.

I think you meant the second idea when you said this. I do not think it is possible to hatch more white Macks than yellow Macks, just in general. You will always have a lot of variation, and trully white Macks(non-Supers) are somewhat rare.

 

[pkrtech]

ok i see what you are saying, thanks

 

[Gecko Euphoria]

Hey Jared send some pics of him lets see how white he is since he left me.
I get lots of white snows with almost no yellow, and just a few here and there with yellow, but when you cross with a Raptor they get a little yellower and get that distintive Raptor head and body with tail even as hets. Just curiose what he looks like today, I got a couple hold backs and ones got this blue tint to him I swear and he's pretty white but he may chnge when he's totally full grown he's only about half.

When dealing with a MS in a project, what can you count on getting? I don't know how to deal with it al yet and I'm still trying to learn. If I were to breed a MS male to a RAPTOR female, what would I get? Normals 50% het RAPTOR? Thanks in advane guys.

 

[thekooliest]

I am confused.

 

[thekooliest]

I am confused.