Genetics

[RampantReptiles]

They might eat it when your not looking, like during shed. I had a pair of leopard geckos shipped to me, back before I knew to buy from reputable breeders. They were shipped in a tupperware container, male and female together, on aspen. I was FURIOUS that they were shipped like that... anyways one of them (I cant remember which) shed on the the trip to me and a few days after I received them threw up a huge junk of aspen along with undigested skin. Who knows what that could have done to their digestive track. Not only swallowing this pointy piece of wood but then bringing it back up...

My point is just because you dont see them eat it does not mean it doesnt happen.

 

[tiedxupxinxknots]

Looks like you are still going to bred them. Please do some research for the safety of your animals instead of asking at the last second,people hate that and may not want to help it isn't as easy as putting a male and a female together. Very important things are weight of the geckos and make sure you have plently of calcium etc. Also know that you will be responsible for bringing several lives into this world and you will be responsible for them, either you will either rehome if you can or will be forced to keep them, and geckos can live for over 10 years, if you get bored with them in the future you might regret doing this but good luck.Btw may I ask what ur set up is composed of(heating, temps, size of enclosure and how many leos are being housed in it)

 

[LeopardShade]

I believe the albino enigma (not the tremper) is a Bell.

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just because you dont see them eat it does not mean it doesnt happen.

Very true. It doesn't matter what type of loose substrate it is or how long geckos have been kept on it, there is still a very real and dangerous risk of impaction. The first step is to ditch the aspen and replace it with a solid substrate - preferably paper towels, as they're cheap and easy to clean/replace

Every member has a different way of expressing their opinion, some more brusque than others. Not everybody is going to sugar-coat their answers if they feel that they need to address something for the geckos' benefit/etc. Despite the brusqueness, I believe the advice Chris gave is of great value; sound, logical, and honest. Was it not what you wanted to hear? That may be so. Sometimes the truth hurts, and the truth in this case is that you are not ready to breed these geckos. It is apparent that you are curious and want to learn, and that's absolutely great, lots of learning is how you'll get there someday. But, it is also apparent that you are inexperienced with genetics/etc, and that can be a bit alarming to some people when you are talking about breeding.

In order to breed successfully, a strong knowledge of genetics and morphs is required. It is also imperative that you know and understand the genetics of the geckos you plan on breeding before you breed them. Without that knowledge, you could end up with lots of surprises in the offspring!

Chloe, you have beautiful animals and a lot of potential. So brush off the asperity of Chris's tone, but take the valuable advice that was given. Take a few more years to really soak all the information in, there's so much to learn about these geckos! We are all willing to help you and answer all of the questions you have. Hope to see you around

One more thing. A good book addressing basic reptile genetics is Genetics for Herpers. I own a copy and highly recommend it. VMS Professional Herpetoculture sells them. Here's a link: http://vmsherp.com/4SaleSupplies.htm#Genetics

Best of luck to you!

 

[Geckos4Life<3]

I think I'll change them on to newspaper. Even though nothing has happened if rather keep my babies safe and I am having a serious think about what to breed to what (whenever I am ready to breed) as I do not want to cross breed the albinos and enigmas. I think I will separate my geckos the way they used to be and I have wanted a Mack Raptor for so long!! So i think I will breed those too. To see how breeding goes first. I will get hets. Right? Can you breed babies back to mum? Or is that not advisable?


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[katie_]

I think I'll change them on to newspaper. Even though nothing has happened if rather keep my babies safe and I am having a serious think about what to breed to what (whenever I am ready to breed) as I do not want to cross breed the albinos and enigmas. I think I will separate my geckos the way they used to be and I have wanted a Mack Raptor for so long!! So i think I will breed those too. To see how breeding goes first. I will get hets. Right? Can you breed babies back to mum? Or is that not advisable?


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News paper can turn feet and bellies grey.

 

[Geckos4Life<3]

Oh and I'm building a new background to go in a viv for them and I'll have tile. If the tile heats up can it not burn them or does it not get very warm??


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[Thorgecko707]

Oh and I'm building a new background to go in a viv for them and I'll have tile. If the tile heats up can it not burn them or does it not get very warm??


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I'd get a thermostat. You can burn them with any substrate if it isn't monitored and controlled.

 

[Geckos4Life<3]

1 more thing

Is my albino enigma the Bell strain of albino then?


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[Geckos4Life<3]

Oh I have plenty of thermostats I have one in with them anyway.


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[Geckos4Life<3]

News paper can turn feet and bellies grey.

Paper towl then. Funny I noticed that before then I use this paper towl. I've always wanted to try and get the unprinted news paper (without the ink) since its nice and thick


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[JordanAng420]

1 more thing

Is my albino enigma the Bell strain of albino then?


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If you're talking about this one that you labeled as an albino enigma

it's not an albino. There's black spots...

 

[Geckos4Life<3]

I was sold it from Crystal Palcace Reptiles as an 'Albino Enigma' What is it then? She has pinkish greyish eyes with red veins yellow back with blak spots as you can see


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[JordanAng420]

I'm not sure that it's an enigma actually....it could be "just" a bell...a very pretty one I might add...

Does it show any signs of being an enigma?

 

[Geckos4Life<3]

No not compared to my super hypo enigma. She eats great and has a perfect aim when I feed her. The super hypo enigma gets my finer most of the time


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[LeopardShade]

I still believe it is an Bell Albino Enigma. If it has pinkish-grey eyes, that's a pretty good indicator of the Bell strain. If it's an albino it should NOT have black spots, as albinos cannot synthesize melanin - black pigment. Most Bell Enigmas I've seen have dark brown spots.

 

[Geckos4Life<3]

That never even crossed my mind - as albinos lack te black pigment (Duhh Chloee lol )i'll have a really really good study of her tomorrow as I need to get to sleep lol. I'll take good pictures in the light

Shes puzzling my mind of what she would be. Should I create a thread on what people think she is when I get better pics?


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[Geckos4Life<3]

These are from a month or so back when I was taking good photos

Look at her eyes, pinkish grey and red veins.

Spots look brownish there at the side a little

There's her gorgeous eyes again. Spots look black on her head


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[LeopardShade]

I'm still going with Bell Enigma. You can see the spots range from brown to very dark brown. Albinos can show brown pigment, just not black pigment. And those look like Bell eyes to me.

 

[JordanAng420]

I guess I would agree...I just have a really hard time calling that animal an albino...and the "enigma" part is still questionable, imo.

 

[RampantReptiles]

The gecko Chloe has reminds me of when enigmas were still new. A classic looking Bell Enigma.
One in this post by fallen angel (near the bottom of the page) is similar except more spotty and more red in the eye. http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?p=351586