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i recently adopted a male dont know the genetics but i do know that he is a carrot tail, but he was purchased a year and a few months ago as a small baby and he now weighs 89g. Any possibility he is a giant and will he keep growing in size????? If you need to see pics of him you can look in the photos section under "Godzirra and Ang updates pictures"
 
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It is not unheard of for regular non-giant leos to attain weights of 80 to 90 grams... At a year an a few months I would expect a giant to be more than 89 grams with the proper care...
I am going to say that your leo is not a giant judging by the weight, age, and tail to body ratio in the pics you provided...
 
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Yes, when we were still new to the morphs, we too thought we had an unknown giant. He weighs 125 grams but has no Giant genes in him what-so-ever. Some geckos can just grow to be very large. You can tell the difference because Giants are very long and lanky, wheras the very big non-giants are pretty bulky and not as long.

I believe I remember seeing your gecko, didn't you post pics of him recently or am I just thinking of someone else?
edit: I was definitely thinking of Ang :) Ang is very bulky like our non-giant male that is bigger in size.. I would think that he is just a very big boy. Granted, the bigger boys can produce bigger babies either way, and you can line breed for size if you wanted to :)
 
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here is a Giant who isn't fully grown yet, but you can tell how long and lanky he is:

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Thanks, he's a very special boy for sure :)

Besides weight.. let's see, well I think length is also part of the criteria. That, and it's a co-dominant trait, so there is a specific way that it should pass onto offspring. As opposed to a very big non-Giant gecko that can make big babies, their is no definite pattern of how that will pass onto offspring. You can take any size gecko and make similar babies; bigger geckos making bigger babies, smaller geckos making smaller babies, etc. But being a Giant is actually carrying a specific gene.
 
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I am sure you would need to know the genetics of the animal. Moreover, Giants have a very distinct look to them, very long and lanky. I don't think I've ever seen a gecko that was non-Giant to be so big and look like long and lanky like Giants. The big non-Giants are always bulky and more hefty. There is a big diffference. I know somewhere I posted pics showing the difference between the two.. I'll have to see if I can find it.
 
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Thanks for the thread, Jess! Very interesting! Although, I understand you must know the parents genetics, but it did start with normal parents producing a "giant" within Trempers collection. I am just not sure how to accurately "prove" out the genetics. In fact, Tremper's "Moose" was big and robust looking as an adult but 11" long!! However, I believe when they are juvies they are long and lanky and grow really big (long, not fat) really fast. And he claims that it is proven to be a co-dom trait. I just read this on the Tremper site discussing it: http://www.leopardgecko.com/giantgenetics.html

BTW: That BIG snow of yours is a beauty! He must be quite the stud! You have some of the prettiest snows!
 
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Gregg M said:
I do not believe it has been proven to be a co-dominant trait actually... My opinion is that it is subspecies imported years ago and bred into Trempers line...
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you think ;)

Herp encounter... SG X SG gave me a few average sized geckos:main_lipsrsealed: no more on this matter for me.
 
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paulnj said:
SG X SG gave me a few average sized geckos
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Same here... I am certain it is not a co-dominant gene... I am almost 100% it is sub-species/locality spacific genetics at play here with the giants... I am also pretty sure of the subspecies responsible for the "giant gene"...
 
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Gregg M said:
Same here... I am certain it is not a co-dominant gene... I am almost 100% it is sub-species/locality spacific genetics at play here with the giants... I am also pretty sure of the subspecies responsible for the "giant gene"...
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Greg I will agree with you here 100%. Do you think it's E. Fuscus or E.Angramainyu? Or a combo of both? since we know both sub species were used to make the original giants.

I would love to find someone who has these sub species in their collection and wants to sell a few or all of them. Just let me know, whoever you are.:D
 
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liljenn said:
Thanks for the thread, Jess! Very interesting! Although, I understand you must know the parents genetics, but it did start with normal parents producing a "giant" within Trempers collection. I am just not sure how to accurately "prove" out the genetics. In fact, Tremper's "Moose" was big and robust looking as an adult but 11" long!! However, I believe when they are juvies they are long and lanky and grow really big (long, not fat) really fast. And he claims that it is proven to be a co-dom trait. I just read this on the Tremper site discussing it: http://www.leopardgecko.com/giantgenetics.html

BTW: That BIG snow of yours is a beauty! He must be quite the stud! You have some of the prettiest snows!
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You're welcome :) I do know that our Giant, the one I posted a pic of, was only 20-some grams when we got him and he was very long and lanky as a younger juvie.. then he also gained 21 grams in a month's time. Although, we have another baby, no giant genes what-so-ever, and he was at 21 grams at three weeks of age (no idea how that happened LOL).. so it can be very confusing for sure. But the non-giant is a SHTCTB and he isn't long or lanky at all.

Thanks for the comments! We got very lucky :main_yes: The Big Mack boy was 30 grams when he got him, and we got him with a female at the same time. They were the same weights and then he just kept getting bigger and bigger.. we thought she was just very small until we realized that it was actually him who was way bigger than average!
 
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