how to produce a creamsicle?

[ddkgeckos]

Hi, my fave leo is a creamsicle and i want one! i have a mack snow and shtct how do i go about it, i know it take a 3/4 generations of breeding but what do you look for when putting the pairs together? and what pairs do you put together i.e do you keep putting the offspring with the dad or mum or do you breed brother and sister?

 

[Tony C]

Shoot a message to Travis (Enigmatic Geckos), he is working with creams and should be able to point you in the right direction.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

When starting a creamsicle project you want to ensure that the tangerine is high quality and the snow is high white (in my opinion). From there you will begin making creamsicles which will brown out and not be too attractive at first. I take the best cream baby back to another tangerine (high quality) and keep going from there. You can do cream back to cream but that will not add any more color to them. Depends on your final desired appearance. Feel free to check out the breeders on my site for some tangy creams or to ask more questions.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Shoot a message to Travis (Enigmatic Geckos), he is working with creams and should be able to point you in the right direction.

:main_yes: Yes Sir

 

[ddkgeckos]

thanks, my mack is quite yellow so i guess my first job would be to get a whiter one, whats the best way to do that, i currently got 2 talbinos and shtctb plus the mack whos the male, i know its going to take years but its fun trying i would rather produce my own then just go out and buy one defeats the point imo.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

I am all for creating your own line of anything as well. The only thing I would suggest though is ensuring your base breeders to that project are of good quality (which I have not seen yours so I am not down talking anything you have....just a general statement for anyone reading). The only way to go about getting creamsicles from what you have would be the Mack Snow and the SHTCTB. It doesn't matter if he is yellow as long as you dont mind if there is yellow in your final product. The only reason I said high white snow is because I like having a lot of contrast on the gecko.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Instead of working with Macks to make cremes i would suggest working with TUG's, Gem's, or LBS's. That way you don't run the risk of making supers when line breeding.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

I am a Mack fan so I use Macks. I think they are always on the back burner when they have so much potential when worked with correctly.

 

[ddkgeckos]

So when does a hypo mack become a creamsicle. what boxes do you have to tick to be able to say right that's a creamsicle.

 

[acpart]

I have seen some geckos people are calling creamsicles that look to me like poor quality hypo macks. The best bet is to go to the JMG reptile site and look at their creamsicles. The ones I would consider creamsicles have alternating orange and pale bands. I did breed Mack super snow to SHTCT a few seasons ago and did not get any that I would consider creamsicles. I am currently breeding that holdback to PRS to see if I get any closer.


Aliza

 

[chazthaking2]

You do understand that going to JMG to try and make a cream like his is like striking oil, but what you can take from his site is when you start making creams, where would you stand. I believe creams are a great project because depending on your effort that is exactly what you will get back.

So in my suggestion look up a few creams out there to know exactly what you are aiming for. Good luck on your journey.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Ok you want to produce Cremes first year then get the nicest Tang you can afford. Then buy a semi decent Creme from JMG boom there you have first year cremes coming out of the egg.

But if you want to take the 3-4 year route. Get the whitest TUG Snow you can afford. Get the brightest Tang you can afford. Then start doing some selective breeding.

It honestly doesn't matter what anyone here tells you cause you have to make up your own mind when it comes down to it. Macks, TUG's, Gems, LBS's doesn't matter which one you take it has to be the best x best and repeat.

 

[viperidae]

a question here, what would the morph call in the first generation?i mean like cream but yet creamsicle?

 

[ddkgeckos]

Will she do for the SHTCT her tail has gotten more carrot and her head is completely bald now. As for snows i think i am gonna get a really white TUG cause here in the UK all the macks practically look like normals.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

First generation creamsicle project offspring (if it were a snow) I would simply consider it as a snow. There is not enough hypo or tangerine influence to call it anything else IMO.

I think that your plan sounds like a good one. Just make sure you allow the hatch-lings to mature to at least 25-30g before you consider them hold backs or not. Creamsicles (in the early stages especially) tend to brown out drastically as they mature. Just continue to keep the best and selectively breed for your desired look. It is an awesome project and not too many people work with them. If you are interested in any of Jeffs make sure to get them soon because he is going to greatly reduce his cream production in the near future. There are only maybe 4 breeders (besides myself) that I can think of that breed them, but he is one of the only who can ship to you or is ever over seas. If you ever have questions throughout the process feel free to hit me up. Good Luck

 

[Living Art Reptiles-FGM]

what Do the ones that will brown out and not be too attractive at first look like and how would you pick the better looking one if their unattractive?

 

[Taquiq]

I am also working on a Cremesicle project. I breeding My Hypo to a Mack Snow Tremper and then I will breed my SHTCT. To one of the babies next year. After that it is Linebreeding to produce the best looking cremesicles.

 

[STUTFL]

*insert joke about vanilla ice cream and orange juice here*