I am stuck....

[[Username]]

Nope they don't have them but they did how ever have Mack Snow Tremper Albinos and Mack Super Snows. Which would be more helpful?

 

[Gazz]

What does a Patternless BB look like I have never seen one I have seen many bananna blizzards but never one that was advertised as PattBB. I am pretty sure that he is a tremper as he has the eclipse gene but as was said before its always possible to be LV or Bell (heh I whish). It also looks like he has a stripe on his back very thin it just looks whiter than his body's white. Is that his spine or could that really be a stripe? I think I'm decided on the SSBB but if that becomes to expensive of a prospect then I might try that. Is it possible to make a genetic sunglow by breeding SHTBCT het. BB with a BB eclipse? If so that would be cool a solid neon orange black eyed gecko.

Visually blizzard/patternless looks very much like a grade-[A] banana blizzard-AKA-high yellow blizzard it's the genetic's that make blizzard/patternless special in that if you bred to a blizzard it 100% blizzard or to a patterness it 100% patternless this would NOT be the result of a banana blizzard-AKA-high yellow blizzard when bred to a patternless.The stripe you are refering to is most likely the dorsal stripe as it make the skin a little paler giving the apperance of a stripe.Sorry this is very common on leo's and nothing really that special on less your Albey's rep's they have done some really nice work with the dorsal stripe on tangerine leo's.If it's possible to feed yellow into blizzards it very possible you could feed the tangerine into the blizzard line would look very nice but i don't think it's that esay as i'd think a blizzard tangerine would have been done by now it would be a bigger project than most would imagine

 

[okapi]

Where did you get your BB and what was the cost? it is most likely a tremper. Las vegas BBs are rare and bells are non-existant at this time. Also the eclipse you see in its eyes could be from the blizzard gene. I doubt it is Raptor, because that gene is still new and the blizzards that have that eclipse gene are going to be in tremper's colonies right now, as well as in the private collections of some breeders who got into the raptor project early. Blizzards have always had their own form of eclipse that usually doesnt breed true. Test breedings are being done this season to decide if the two eclipse genes are related in any way. The Raptor eclipse arose from the "patternless stripe" line (RT calls them APTORS) and the blizzard eclipse just randomly pops up from time to time. If you want to produce sunglows with solid black eyes then your out of luck. Sunglows are albinos. Albinos dont have solid black eyes. If you want to produce something intresting with your BB you could get a tremper sunglow/hybino or a SHTCT and breed that to your BB.
BB X sunglow/hybino = hybinos het blizzard
Breeding the babies from the first season back to the bb will result in more hybinos het blizzard, and blazing blizzards.
BB X SHTCT = hypo tangerines het BB
Breeding the babies from the first season back to the bb will result in more hypo tangerines het bb, blizzards, hybinos, and BBs.
If you breed the BB to a nice tangerine jungle albino, you could get some albinos with intresting patterns with alot of color all het for blizzard.

The prices for Mack supers is going to be high because the ones youve been looking at are at or near breeding size. That means that the breeder has put more time and money into raising them and the buyer would have a shorter wait before they have eggs of their own. Babys of any morph will cost less, and if your plan is not to make money fast, getting the experience from taking care of and raising some babies up to breeding size would be good practice for when you have a bunch of fragile 3 gram babies running around. Your male will still be able to reproduce in that amount of time, they can live up to 20 years and the males stay fertile pretty much their entire lives.

How long have you had your BB? that could also give us a good idea of what strain of albino it is. Trempers have been out longer and in higher numbers every year.

 

[okapi]

If it's possible to feed yellow into blizzards it very possible you could feed the tangerine into the blizzard line would look very nice but i don't think it's that esay as i'd think a blizzard tangerine would have been done by now it would be a bigger project than most would imagine

I know someone who is doing just that now. :main_thumbsup: Tangerine blizzards would rock.

 

[Gazz]

Where did you get your BB and what was the cost? it is most likely a tremper. Las vegas BBs are rare and bells are non-existant at this time.

Not quite i beleave that kelli has done bell BB and is running around with the T-shirt :main_thumbsup: so there's aleast one ?.

 

[[Username]]

I bought him from petsmart as an adult and he is most likely tremper as I got him for under 100$. He can't be that old though cause he still eats like 5-7 crix a day. His eyes are gold with 5-10% eclipse and a black slit he has super bright yellow on just his bumps and he weighs 57.6g last time I weighed him(2 weeks ago).

 

[Gazz]

I know someone who is doing just that now. :main_thumbsup: Tangerine blizzards would rock.

Especially with full blizzard eclipse,bright orange with black eyes that would rule :main_yes: :main_thumbsup: .

 

[[Username]]

BB X sunglow/hybino = hybinos het blizzard
Breeding the babies from the first season back to the bb will result in more hybinos het blizzard, and blazing blizzards.
BB X SHTCT = hypo tangerines het BB
Breeding the babies from the first season back to the bb will result in more hypo tangerines het bb, blizzards, hybinos, and BBs.
If you breed the BB to a nice tangerine jungle albino, you could get some albinos with intresting patterns with alot of color all het for blizzard.

So from any of these combos will i get any orange Blizzards what would they be if the Hybinos het. Blizzard are bred to each other would I get any Hybino Blizzards and are they considered BBs cause they are albino and blizzard? Wow the questions that come to mind are endless.

 

[eyelids]

Nope they don't have them but they did how ever have Mack Snow Tremper Albinos and Mack Super Snows. Which would be more helpful?

That's why I said to email them. A lot of breeders rarely update their available pages. Trust me, email them and I bet you'll find what you're looking for.

 

[Gregg M]

[QUOTE='[Username] His eyes are gold with 5-10% eclipse and a black slit he has super bright yellow on just his bumps and he weighs 57.6g last time I weighed him(2 weeks ago).[/QUOTE]

You sure it a BB??? Got any pics???



[QUOTE='[Username]So from any of these combos will i get any orange Blizzards what would they be if the Hybinos het. Blizzard are bred to each other would I get any Hybino Blizzards and are they considered BBs cause they are albino and blizzard?[/QUOTE]

Huhhhh??? Hybino blizzards???

 

[[Username]]

Yea but they're from a camera phone I'll get some tonight when I feed him but i'm almost 100% sure he's BB. Does anyone breed tremper albino PAs as I was tryin' to come up with a way that might actually work to make an all orange patternless blizzard or BB how ever that works. If I did find out he was just a blizzard then petsmart owes me 40$ and lost a customer for life!

 

[okapi]

Petsmart is supplied by C.R.A.P. so if the eyes are albino he is a tremper. The guy that runs C.R.A.P. only breeds Tremper albinos for some reason... (maybe just a little pun intended here :main_rolleyes

A hybino blizzard would be a blazing blizzard, Since the blizzard gene blocks the pattern and color. There are high yellow blazings, and like I said before, there is a person working on orange blizzards. But his plan involves some VERY orange geckos, I doubt that a hybino would be enough orange, plus that project will take some long term line breeding for any success. Im sure its possible, but it will take alot of time to work the color in.


Her bell blazing died, and it was the only one ever hatched. Thats what Ive read here on GFs.

VMS breeds tremper PAs.

 

[Gregg M]

A hybino blizzard would be a blazing blizzard, Since the blizzard gene blocks the pattern and color.

What??? I think people just make things up as they go along...:main_laugh:

There is no such thing as a hybino blizzard... A hybino is a hypo albino.... It has nothing to do with blizzards...

Anyway the thing that threw me off is that you said the eyes were gold colored...

 

[[Username]]

Something I just don't seem to get is if the genes for patternless albino and blizzard are all recessive then why can't you have a patternless blazing blizzard?

 

[[Username]]

yea they are kinda gold or could just be really light pink but they kinda look gold i'll try to get a pic tonight.

 

[[Username]]

Something I just don't seem to get is if the genes for patternless albino and blizzard are all recessive then why can't you have a patternless blazing blizzard [if bred out right]?

 

[Gregg M]

Something I just don't seem to get is if the genes for patternless albino and blizzard are all recessive then why can't you have a patternless blazing blizzard [if bred out right]?

Technially if that worked out you would have a true blazing banana blizzard...

It still has nothing to do with hybinos...

Are you getting confused between hybinos and patternless albinos???

 

[[Username]]

this I think will be a much more affordable project and i'm sure that a true genetic Bananna Blizzard would be appreciated.

 

[Gregg M]

this I think will be a much more affordable project and i'm sure that a true genetic Bananna Blizzard would be appreciated.

That will be a task to get and then you will have to prove them out before you could sell them as such... However, it will be worth the effort if it does work out for you...

 

[[Username]]

Well I have found Tremper PAs for 50$ a hatchling so I'm well on my way. I might even try for a mack snow TR Albino hatchling too since they were only 150$ but I hope I can manage a deal seeing how i'ma want like 2 or 3 PAs and that MSA. Might be one of the best investments I've made in a while.