I put my leopard geckos together and..

[Dimidiata]

Breeding on a whim is a stupid thing, done by impetuous, selfish people.

When someone asks me if I am a God, I say, "Yes."

Gold.

 

[Taquiq]

Healthy animals in breeding condition WANT to breed. It is instinctive and natural. As long as neither animal is being over exherted, depleated or harmed, what's the harm in letting them breed?

That's not the reason for breeding or not. The animals may be extremely healthy, but the owner has to realize the responsibilities of caring for babies. You can't throw two leos together hoping for eggs, without realizing what has to be done to care, house, and eventually sell the babies. A lot of money, time, space, and commitment is involved in caring for babies. When we tell people to research more or get more experience, this partly is to give them time to think about what they are going to do before they jump in. We can't make people not breed, we just make sure they are aware of the commitment.

 

[NinjaDuo]

I'd like to know who decides who should breed their geckos and who shouldn't? What gecko gods gave you the right? I've seen quite a bit of criticism of new, enthuiastic, leo owners in the few short weeks I've belonged to this forum, for no other reason than someone wanting to breed them. Include myself in this list. Did everyone here begin as experts on the subject? Just because we don't have 5,000 posts or 20 years of experience doesn't mean we haven't done extensive research or provide excellent care for our animals. Sometimes you just want to get a second or third opinion. Healthy animals in breeding condition WANT to breed. It is instinctive and natural. As long as neither animal is being over exherted, depleated or harmed, what's the harm in letting them breed? Also, anyone who willingly breeds geckos with genetically inherent neurological disorders (enigmas) should never criticize anyone for anything IMO. I could care less if anyone does - just don't act like you're better than the average newbie who may make an occasional mistake. No intentions to offend anyone in particular, just stating what's on my mind at the moment. Bob

I breed enigmas now and then. It is YOUR opinion. And it makes perfect sense.... People with tons of experience will know what they're talking about.

And if this is the attitude you have towards the community's veteran members then good luck with your business... Haha

 

[Byrns149]

I have been keeping geckos for 5 years and have had 3 successful seasons. I wouldn't consider myself a newbie.

 

[NinjaDuo]

I have been keeping geckos for 5 years and have had 3 successful seasons. I wouldn't consider myself a newbie.

In comparison to Marcia or Kelli you are

 

[Dimidiata]

A 9 yearold breeding...brilliant.

 

[katie_]

A 9 yearold breeding...brilliant.

I bred responsibly at nine (not leopards). I had great supportive parents.
I have a slight feeling parents in this situtation arent as helpful, as hes asking us for help.

 

[Dimidiata]

I should have made that a bit more specific. With the help of an adult breeding is possible when ever you are ready(i started breeding Dwarf gourami at age 8 with my grandfather) but i wouldnt pretend i was breeding on my own since age 9. Obviously if someone was helping him he wouldnt need us.

 

[Thorgecko707]

so i just put my male and female together for the 1st time and the female kinda shook her tail and nipped at the male. was this defensive or????. I seperated them because i didnt want anything to happen to the male.

Something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibqsjQ3mLM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
If it was the female nipping, then she's not ready. If it was the male, then he is showing her that he is alpha and she should bare his offspring.

 

[katie_]

That picture up tactic would NEVER work for me.
Gecko ladies need a battered womens shelter.

 

[Thorgecko707]

That picture up tactic would NEVER work for me.
Gecko ladies need a battered womens shelter.

Lol! But she loved it!

 

[Byrns149]

A 9 yearold breeding...brilliant.

I started keeping geckos at 9. Breeding at 11. I got out of reptiles last summer and i have forgotten alot about them. I was just looking for an answer to my question. I can do whatever i would like with my geckos. As can you with yours.

 

[LeopardShade]

I can do whatever i would like with my geckos.

Of course you can. Ultimately, no one can stop you from doing what you plan on doing, which is, I'm assuming, breeding these geckos without proper quarantine. In the end, it is all up to you. But, however improbable it may sound to you, if your geckos begin displaying symptoms indicative of a heath problem, I would advise you to not complain about it to us. You have been told multiple times by multiple members what you should be doing to ensure optimum health for your geckos and their potential offspring. Any thread you end up posting claiming your geckos are showing concerning symptoms is not going to be a peaceful one. I hope that you will consider what has been said to you in this thread and will, as a result, do what's best for your geckos.

 

[30secondstobob]

And if this is the attitude you have toveteranwards the community's members then good luck with your business... Haha

If you're talking to me, I don't have a business and I have nothing against the veteran members of this forum. I am thankful and have thanked every single person who has ever given me advice. My leos are a hobby - one of many. I could care less what people chose to breed - we are talking about lizards here after all. Not human babies, not highly intelligent animals that are in tune to your emotions and would protect you with their life if the demand arose. Just don't be a hypocrate and belittle people for doing the geckos "injustice" (by breeding them) when multitudes of specimens within your "for profit" breeding program suffer from debilitating neurological conditions.
I guess it can be cute to watch a little lizard spin in circles, wobble, or gaze "lovingly" into your eyes. When this happens to a dog, it's often known as cerebellar ataxia and most dogs that develop it will ultimately have to be put to death. It has become increasingy common in the Pitbull community but thanks to new genetic testing is able to be eliminated from the gene pool by responsible breeders. Do what thou wilt. Peace. Bob

 

[NinjaDuo]

If you're talking to me, I don't have a business and I have nothing against the veteran members of this forum. I am thankful and have thanked every single person who has ever given me advice. My leos are a hobby - one of many. I could care less what people chose to breed - we are talking about lizards here after all. Not human babies, not highly intelligent animals that are in tune to your emotions and would protect you with their life if the demand arose. Just don't be a hypocrate and belittle people for doing the geckos "injustice" (by breeding them) when multitudes of specimens within your "for profit" breeding program suffer from debilitating neurological conditions.
I guess it can be cute to watch a little lizard spin in circles, wobble, or gaze "lovingly" into your eyes. When this happens to a dog, it's often known as cerebellar ataxia and most dogs that develop it will ultimately have to be put to death. It has become increasingy common in the Pitbull community but thanks to new genetic testing is able to be eliminated from the gene pool by responsible breeders. Do what thou wilt. Peace. Bob

So I breed enigmas for profit? When did I say that?

As a matter of fact when did I say I breed them because they star gaze and are cute? I have the time and money to invest in them. Just like how I invest my time with disabled children at the local high school near my college.
So keep your post to the original point and don't single people out for no reason.
Neurological diseases are much different than crypto or MBD.

 

[Russellm0704]

Healthy animals in breeding condition WANT to breed. It is instinctive and natural. As long as neither animal is being over exherted, depleated or harmed, what's the harm in letting them breed? Bob

Breeding is EXTREMELY stressful to any female gecko. No matter how old they are, how healthy they are, how much they eat, or how many time they have or have not bred before, it will still stress the female and breeding will most likely shorten the life of the gecko. Egg binding is a big concern with breeding. So is a male Prolapse. So is some of the hatchlings they may pop out a little deformed or missing a limb. The negative possibilities are very high. So there is your POTENTIAL harm. No i am not an experienced breeder but I have worked and learned with a few breeders who have decades of experience. This forum is very unique in the way that so many veteran breeders still visit it and help people out. Im sure they do not appreciate the attitude when they have dedicated a HUGE portion of their lives to the well being of their geckos. Yes, they do have the right to suggest who should and should not breed. Before I even asked the question of whether I should breed or not, I searched some other threads and I realized what my answer would of been.