I'm wondering if my Sunglow is a nice one, in the looks dept.

VeeDubLove

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He has some issues. I thought at first that he was blind, then that he could only see shadows (light/dark), but now - idk... I feel like maybe he just shows a slight bit of enigma syndrome. He can see when I come to the cage, but he seems to get kind of distracted or stares off into space, he has a great food response, but he also splays his back legs out and curls his tail to the side and almost crawls along from time to time. Hes a dorky guy for sure. His toes are gone due to what I assume to be stuck shed issues in the past. I know he has shed stuck to his back foot (and a little on his head). He's soaking now. He had just shed though, so it hasnt been on for long.

ANYWHO I've seen a few lines of sunglows that are claimed as top-of-the-line, and he looks almost just like them. What do you guys think, as far as Tremper Sunglows go?

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Do you think those 2 dark spots near his eye could be enigma spots?

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*WINK* Helloooooo LADIES!

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He looks to be a pretty good sunglow who has quite a bit of carrot tail. His orange isn't as bright as I have seen but still a very nice sunglow. He looks healthy too.

In regards to the possibility of being blind, that is something better determined in person. A vet would be best to tell you whether he is blind or partially blind. The symptoms you described could be many different things. I have seen males constantly rub the tail end around to spread their scent during breeding season. He may also be trying to loosen up stuck skin somewhere on him. Make sure you get everything off because is can cause short term and long term issues. He isn't an enigma so the enigma issue isn't in play here. If he is eating and doing fine then I wouldn't worry about anything. If you would like to be sure he is perfectly fine then take him to the vet. I hope this helps.
 

VeeDubLove

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I helped him out with pulling a bit of shed off from under his tail and near his vent. All thats left was on his foot and a tiny bit on his head. Its all off now. Yeah, he could definitely be marking... it almost appears that he could be rubbing his pores on the ground actually. Maybe hes just a "slow" gecko. He definitely is off a little with the whole attention/sight thing haha. Thank you though that did help a bit :]
 

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I think he looks "stumpy". His tail is very stout. I don't think this a desirable trait as far as breeding goes, but hes cute :)
 

VeeDubLove

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Haha yeah he is stumpy. His name is actually Stubbins. I was asking more along the lines of coloration. I thought that maybe like his toes, his tail may have been "tipped" off due to some outside physical force. Or do you think the tip would have regenerated properly?
 

justindh1

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I think he looks "stumpy". His tail is very stout. I don't think this a desirable trait as far as breeding goes, but hes cute :)

I take is that you mean that it looks like his appendages are smaller than normal? It looks like an average leopard gecko to me. I think the reason he looks stumpy is because he is missing every single toe and looks like even the tail tip. It is more of a housing issue than a husbandry issue.
 

VeeDubLove

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I would also like to make it very clear that I have only had him for a month. It wasnt me who let his toes and tail tip fall off. I'm just sayin lol
 

katie_

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I take is that you mean that it looks like his appendages are smaller than normal? It looks like an average leopard gecko to me. I think the reason he looks stumpy is because he is missing every single toe and looks like even the tail tip. It is more of a housing issue than a husbandry issue.

No, I wasnt referring to his toes, I was referring to his over all appearance. The picture from above makes his tail look disproportionate - like its too short.
 

Josh P.

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I like the coloration and extension of CT present in his phenotype. Looks good.

Pity about the lost toes but a very nice gecko nonetheless!
 

katie_

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You asked for my opinion. I'm not the only one to have mentioned it.
I also mentioned that he was very cute.
 

VeeDubLove

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Well, I was just letting you know his tail is actually proportional. Sorry if that seemed offensive to you. Its just the pictures I guess
 

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That's not a nipped tail, it is on the short side, and I'm still not convinced it's an albino. Not with those eyes. Not unless it's rainwater. Where did you pick him up again? He IS adorable, but I would not breed him. And I'm not trying to be mean at all. There's just too many unknowns about him, no matter how pretty he is.
 

justindh1

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I think that it is alright to assume that since the toes tips are missing from bad sheds that this is probably the reason the tail tip is missing too. I haven't heard of many tails being nipped with leopard geckos as that entails another gecko biting it or something landing on it. Most are caused by stuck sheds causing constriction to the tip of the tail. The tail looks perfectly normal to me. I think it is that angle of the photo and tail tip missing that would cause people to think there is something wrong with it. Also, those are albino eye to me and I see no other characteristics that would say he isn't an albino.

The unknowns to us are just that, unknowns. They are more like assumptions right now. He hasn't said anything about where he got it from and etc. Maybe he did get it from a breeder or maybe he didn't. Once this information is devolved then it would be wise to say to or not to breed him. It is important to ask questions first and give advice second. Without knowing everything you cannot make a educated decision. This goes both ways. If you don't know everything you need to know about a gecko your looking to breed, it is wise not to breed it. I believe this is the most important part of being a breeder. I'm merely stating my opinion so this is not an attack on anyone.
 

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I think hes a cutie. Though i ponder, just because hes not an enigma doesnt mean he cant be showing similar symptoms to ES, i mean, he could just as easily have a mental or nervous problem that isnt ES related right? Either way hes looking good, and probably feeling better then where he was before. Stumpy or not stumpy(looks fine to me jmo).
 

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