Making Emerines

[GreenKnight Exotics]

I've been doing research on the "Emerine" line,....and perhaps I've missed something along the way.
From what I can decipher, the "Emerine" came from a Tang X RAPTOR breeding,...and that it's a line bred trait pure and simple,...it is not a mutation.

The reason that I ask is because I have hatched a few geckos from TUG Tornado X RAPTOR breedings that are showing the "Emerald" colour on their head, and a couple of them have it on their body as well. I don't see this as a several hundred dollar gecko, and subsequently would never consider asking anything more than $50 for one. Am I way off base with this?
Thanks,
Dave

 

[thestack510]

A Tang is not an Emerine unless it comes from Emerine lines just as every Tang is not a Tangerine Tornado or Blood Hypo. If you cross lines the offspring are just that, crosses.

 

[GeckoGal]

A Tang is not an Emerine unless it comes from Emerine lines just as every Tang is not a Tangerine Tornado or Blood Hypo. If you cross lines the offspring are just that, crosses.

+1

 

[Ehatcher]

what ken said... Basically if the gecko has no lineage to Ron Trempers Emerines, then they are not emerines.

 

[Ehatcher]

But your babies do sound very interesting though!

 

[chazthaking2]

why do they have to be Ron's to be Emerines? Why cant it just be the person that created to put their name in front of the emerine as well?

 

[Tony C]

Because Emerine is the name Tremper gave his bloodline, it would be like breeding your own tangerine albinos and calling them "Chaz Firewaters". You can give your line a name if you want, but not a name that is already being used.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

+1, but I am curious as to green knights situation. A gecko that is expressing green or emerald color...how would you label it? Tang with green/emerald influence? I am not into emerines so am unsure if this has already been addressed somewhere else.

 

[thestack510]

There is another well established breeder who will be releasing his own line of Emerines soon, but I'll wait for him to stop dangling the carrot before I mention his name. His line also sprung from Tremper lines I believe, but he has been working with his group for a number of years, and I assume crossing into them to create a separate line.

 

[robin]

ima make some and call them greenbacks :laugh:

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

HAHA

 

[Wandering Paddle]

There is another well established breeder who will be releasing his own line of Emerines soon, but I'll wait for him to stop dangling the carrot before I mention his name. His line also sprung from Tremper lines I believe, but he has been working with his group for a number of years, and I assume crossing into them to create a separate line.

He talked about them on reptile radio the other week. They started from one of the first 2004 aptors bred to Gourmet Rodent line tangs. I honestly expect this new line to be more impressive. He will be calling them his own line of emerine. Im looking forward to seeing these guys on his site next year.

 

[robin]

gormet rodent did have some awesome tangs, really awesome looking ones.

 

[GreenKnight Exotics]

A Tang is not an Emerine unless it comes from Emerine lines just as every Tang is not a Tangerine Tornado or Blood Hypo. If you cross lines the offspring are just that, crosses.

I was under the impression that "Tangs" were "Tangs",..who cares what business name affixes itself to one particular gecko that developed more vibrant colour, and then line bred(Inbred) said vibrant gecko to other somewhat vibrant geckos, with the intention of producing more vibrant geckos,....i.e., I say that I have Blood hypos, and Tornadoes, and Extreme Tangerines, and why can I say this???...it's simple, I have geckos that all show the exact same colour characteristics as the above mentioned "lines",..even though my original breeders were all "5 Star Tangerine Tornadoes" from TUG.
Traits(mutations) such as the Tremper, Bell and Rainwater albinos, the eclipse, enigma, patternless,..etc have, in my opinion, the right to be credited with distinct "names", simply because they are unique and distinct genetically. "Tangs" do not fall into this category as far as I'm concerned, which is why I do not understand the allure behind a Tremper "Emerine". It's a RAPTOR(which is obviously Tremper) to a Tangerine,..and from my experience, which, granted, is not a whole hell of a lot, is more like a RAPTOR to a SHTCT(B). I see the name Tremper attached to the "Emerine" as a simple cash grab. Stating that it is the "Tremper" tangerine line that makes the "Emerine" is utter B.S. as far as I'm concerned, because the "Emerines" that I've hatched did not necessarily come from the "Tremper" tangerines, well, maybe Tremper got some Tangerine stock from TUG,.......OOOhh,...the plot thickens!!!!!

In all honesty, I'm not trying to stir the pot or be a jerk, it's just that I for one never understood the $$$ that came with this "new line". Maybe it's just me,..I suppose the people buying geckos will ultimately decide.
Dave

 

[jandsfannon]

I was under the impression that "Tangs" were "Tangs",..who cares what business name affixes itself to one particular gecko that developed more vibrant colour, and then line bred(Inbred) said vibrant gecko to other somewhat vibrant geckos, with the intention of producing more vibrant geckos,....i.e., I say that I have Blood hypos, and Tornadoes, and Extreme Tangerines, and why can I say this???...it's simple, I have geckos that all show the exact same colour characteristics as the above mentioned "lines",..even though my original breeders were all "5 Star Tangerine Tornadoes" from TUG.
Traits(mutations) such as the Tremper, Bell and Rainwater albinos, the eclipse, enigma, patternless,..etc have, in my opinion, the right to be credited with distinct "names", simply because they are unique and distinct genetically. "Tangs" do not fall into this category as far as I'm concerned, which is why I do not understand the allure behind a Tremper "Emerine". It's a RAPTOR(which is obviously Tremper) to a Tangerine,..and from my experience, which, granted, is not a whole hell of a lot, is more like a RAPTOR to a SHTCT(B). I see the name Tremper attached to the "Emerine" as a simple cash grab. Stating that it is the "Tremper" tangerine line that makes the "Emerine" is utter B.S. as far as I'm concerned, because the "Emerines" that I've hatched did not necessarily come from the "Tremper" tangerines, well, maybe Tremper got some Tangerine stock from TUG,.......OOOhh,...the plot thickens!!!!!

In all honesty, I'm not trying to stir the pot or be a jerk, it's just that I for one never understood the $$$ that came with this "new line". Maybe it's just me,..I suppose the people buying geckos will ultimately decide.
Dave

An Emerine is NOT simply a tangerine bred to a raptor. An emerine is a line bred trait that is passed down thru breeding. Just breeding a tangerine to a Raptor will NOT produce Emerines. Yes you may get "green" geckos, I have gotten those. But to sell them as Emerines you need to guarantee the genetics and they need to be from trempers line. Will the green pass from those geckos to their offspring? If so then you may have your own line of "green" geckos but you will still not have Emerines they are from a specific line. Just like if you want to make Firewaters, you CAN make Tangerine Rainwaters but you CANNOT make Firewaters unless you start with Hot Geckos stock.
I can also use one of your examples, Blood hypos. Do you honestly believe that if you produce a Tangerine that has a lot of red in you can just simply call it a Blood hypo?? No JMG worked long and hard to produce that particular line. TUG as well they worked long and hard to perfect their line of Tangerines, you cannot MAKE a tornado.
Im sorry but no matter what you are saying if you want to sell these "green" geckos as emerines you are misleading the people you are selling the gecko to.....period.

 

[robin]

I was under the impression that "Tangs" were "Tangs",..who cares what business name affixes itself to one particular gecko that developed more vibrant colour, and then line bred(Inbred) said vibrant gecko to other somewhat vibrant geckos, with the intention of producing more vibrant geckos,....i.e., I say that I have Blood hypos, and Tornadoes, and Extreme Tangerines, and why can I say this???...it's simple, I have geckos that all show the exact same colour characteristics as the above mentioned "lines",..even though my original breeders were all "5 Star Tangerine Tornadoes" from TUG.
Traits(mutations) such as the Tremper, Bell and Rainwater albinos, the eclipse, enigma, patternless,..etc have, in my opinion, the right to be credited with distinct "names", simply because they are unique and distinct genetically. "Tangs" do not fall into this category as far as I'm concerned, which is why I do not understand the allure behind a Tremper "Emerine". It's a RAPTOR(which is obviously Tremper) to a Tangerine,..and from my experience, which, granted, is not a whole hell of a lot, is more like a RAPTOR to a SHTCT(B). I see the name Tremper attached to the "Emerine" as a simple cash grab. Stating that it is the "Tremper" tangerine line that makes the "Emerine" is utter B.S. as far as I'm concerned, because the "Emerines" that I've hatched did not necessarily come from the "Tremper" tangerines, well, maybe Tremper got some Tangerine stock from TUG,.......OOOhh,...the plot thickens!!!!!

In all honesty, I'm not trying to stir the pot or be a jerk, it's just that I for one never understood the $$$ that came with this "new line". Maybe it's just me,..I suppose the people buying geckos will ultimately decide.
Dave

thank you! geeze its about time someone said it *applause*
i completely agree!

 

[GreenKnight Exotics]

An Emerine is NOT simply a tangerine bred to a raptor. An emerine is a line bred trait that is passed down thru breeding. Just breeding a tangerine to a Raptor will NOT produce Emerines. Yes you may get "green" geckos, I have gotten those. But to sell them as Emerines you need to guarantee the genetics and they need to be from trempers line. Will the green pass from those geckos to their offspring? If so then you may have your own line of "green" geckos but you will still not have Emerines they are from a specific line. Just like if you want to make Firewaters, you CAN make Tangerine Rainwaters but you CANNOT make Firewaters unless you start with Hot Geckos stock.
I can also use one of your examples, Blood hypos. Do you honestly believe that if you produce a Tangerine that has a lot of red in you can just simply call it a Blood hypo?? No JMG worked long and hard to produce that particular line. TUG as well they worked long and hard to perfect their line of Tangerines, you cannot MAKE a tornado.
Im sorry but no matter what you are saying if you want to sell these "green" geckos as emerines you are misleading the people you are selling the gecko to.....period.

I do understand what you're saying, but from what you've said, you obviously agree with the facts that I stated...these traits are line bred, they are not mutations like a Mack Snow, Eclipse, Albino, Patternless, or any of the other proven co-dom or recessive mutations available.
The "Emerine",..or "Greener Back(my 'new' morph...lol)" or whatever you want to call it, is bogus, and it's a cash-grab, plain and simple.
Like I said before, the people will decide ultimately,..and I've got a Tornado/Blood/Extreme Emerine/Greenie-Beenie/Seaweed-back leopard gecko to bet on it......
Dave

 

[robin]

i got the snot colored booger back

 

[Lizard Lair]

A lot of people are working on green lines. Just like a lot of people work on the tangerine lines. When different breeders have put years of work into improving a line and putting their on spin on the color, such as tangerines, they give the morph a unique name that reflects all of their efforts and can be associated with their business. Such as Hiss's Electric, TUG's Tornado and so on. Very nice tangs, rightfully deserving the developers name. But. Somebody else working on their own unique combination to come up with their on trademark leo has to use their own chosen name....or none at all. If I said my tangerines were Electric, or Tornados I would be mis-representing my geckos, my buyers would have a false impression of my bloodline. Any sales I got under those circumstances would have come dis-honestly. So. The Emerine is Tremper's line of green leos. Other people have green lines they are working on also. But you can be sure they will NOT call them Emerines. They will put their own name on them. How else could a person who want's to play around with green keep the lines they are using straight if they are mis-represented? Maybe some lines will be brighter, or hold color better into adulthood. Maybe some pass the trait on better than others. The buyer has the right to have accurate information of what they are buying.

 

[jandsfannon]

I do understand what you're saying, but from what you've said, you obviously agree with the facts that I stated...these traits are line bred, they are not mutations like a Mack Snow, Eclipse, Albino, Patternless, or any of the other proven co-dom or recessive mutations available.
The "Emerine",..or "Greener Back(my 'new' morph...lol)" or whatever you want to call it, is bogus, and it's a cash-grab, plain and simple.
Like I said before, the people will decide ultimately,..and I've got a Tornado/Blood/Extreme Emerine/Greenie-Beenie/Seaweed-back leopard gecko to bet on it......
Dave

Mack Snows are called Macks because of who first founded the line.
If a breeder was to mix several "lines" of something together to make a newer better mix of that "line" are they not allowed to call it by whatever name they wish? It happens all the time. So basically are you saying that if you make an animal that looks similar to another line you are allowed to call it that?
So if you didnt purchase a Tornado/Blood Hypo/Electric Tang/Extreme Tang.....and you happen to hatch something that looks similar, are you saying that you are allowed to call it that?
You keep talking about naming morphs for cash grabs right? Then why do you sell things under those names? You sell tornados right? Well if it was only a cash grab why sell them under that name? Why not sell it as Green Knight Tangs? Why would you be advertising Emerines when you know you do not have emerines. Why not call them green backs or what ever? Maybe because the name is recogized, people know that name because the people who made that line spend time and energy making and promoting it.