Making Emerines

[StatikStepz]

Sweet!

Cartoon Network is always on in my house aswell, but at night when it is Adult Swim. I only watch Adult Swim. I makes me laugh ALOT more, because it is "Grown up jokes and references", lol

 

[Allee Toler]

haha. OT now. ;] But I watch AS as well.

Back onto the subject. mkay?

 

[Ehatcher]

So if i took 2 geckos that werent from halloween mask blood that had funky bold head patterns and bred them and got more with bold funky head patterns i created Halloween Masks... or if i took a hypo tang to another hypo tang and made awesome looking hypo tangs then i created TUG five star lines... or if i bred a bright tang rainwater to another, i made Firewaters yayy... or if i bred two dark geckos together and got a hyper melanistic geck i have a Black Pearl... or if i bred two bold stripes together i automatically have R2 Bold stripes... even though they have no R2 blood in them.

No you wouldnt create that gecko and labeling them as such is false.

Cant have a halloween Mask unless you buy them from Paul Allen or someone else who bought some from him and worked with them, and the same goes with every other LINE BRED named animal i mentioned.

Thats why there are Black Velvets AND Black Pearls... Hey they are the same gecko though right?

Same goes with Tremper's Emerine line... it is Line Bred. There are geckos that look the same, but if they do not have Emerine blood from one of trempers geckos, then it isnt an Emerine. You made a Tangerine gecko with green attributes... albino or not.. Congrats!!! But it isnt an Emerine if there's no Emerine Blood in the animal.

I cant go out and make a cola and say i created Coke.

 

[StatikStepz]

Back onto the subject. mkay?

Lmao! You got it, Mr. Hand!

 

[thestack510]

Lmao! You got it, Mr. Hand!

You have Mr. Hand from Fast Times at Ridgemont High cofused with Mr. Mackey from Southpark. :main_laugh:

 

[thestack510]

...or do you mean Mr. Hat, in which case you still have the wrong guy, m'kay? Fast Times at Ridgemont High is before your time, so probably the latter.

 

[HugeGenes&LoLa]

Did anybody read what I wrote on page 4? Because this issue cannot be resolved until the community collectively selects a name for each color gecko. Beyond that, again, details can be added.

We've already created "Tang" for orange. That's something everyone agreed upon, albeit defaultly. Now something needs to be said for green, black, etc.

The other alternative is that we do not do that, and that we have upwards of 1,000 morph names that not everyone wants to keep track of. We have confusion between small breeders and new breeders, and we will have mislabeled, misrepresented geckos.

 

[ILoveGeckos14]

The fact that it has been mentioned that emerines came from raptor crosses proves the fact that they do have something that makes them distinct from other tangs. Do Tang tornados or nieves tangs have anything to do with the raptor patternless stripe gene?I might be wrong but I don't believe they do, so even outside of the respective breeders line breeding emerines are different and to label them just a simple tang is wrong. What if I buy this simple tang for my banded tang project and start popping out jungles and stripes it would be the breeders fault for trying to over simplifying things. This brings us roundabout to the same problem of misrepresenting the animal and its genetics.

 

[robin]

jeanene, i completely agree with you

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

+1 Jeanene, genetics seem to be put secondary to the simple appearance of a gecko.

 

[ILoveGeckos14]

Yay! Haha

 

[thestack510]

If you take the time to read the thread you will see that your argument supports my point. R2s are different from Bandits just as Nieves were different from Emerines. Are you saying that you back the author using other people's line names knowing that his geckos don't have genetics from those lines only because the animals may look alike?

 

[thestack510]

If he was selling his Bold Stripes as R2s knowing full well that they had no R2 blood simply because he decided that they looked alike I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate that.

 

[Allee Toler]

So according to you, Robin. HISS electrics are the exact same as ordinary tangs. Correct? They're just two different breeders with two different bloodlines. Lol. But they're the same. At least that's what YOU are saying.

So I'm going to take a bold stripe, and breed it to my normal with a nose band and eye bands, over the next couple years I'm going to make some looking just like your R2's. I'm going to sell them as R2's, just because they look like yours. How do you feel about that?


ALL tangs are the same. ALL bolds and bandits are the SAME. Morphs and lines are COMPLETELY different things. Yes, Robin, they're the same morph. But no, they're not the same line. "same but different". Lines look different from one another.

 

[GreenKnight Exotics]

Are you saying that you back the author using other people's line names knowing that his geckos don't have genetics from those lines only because the animals may look alike?

You couldn't be more incorrect,..again.
ALL of my Tangerine breeders came directly from TUG's 5 Star Tornado line, I've still got the hatch certificates to prove it. When I sell "Tornadoes", I do so by telling the customer "my Tornadoes come directly from TUG lines".
Also, if it's a "Tremper" blood line that makes the "Emerines", well, I have that too, as I used a RAPTOR(the "T" stands for Tremper) to make them, so they have Tremper blood in them.
The point that I'm trying to make clearly has been missed,..let me try to re-state it in another way.
There is no genetic mutation that creates an emerine. There is no "het" for Emerine, like there is no het for Tangerine, it's line bred (inbred) with the sole intention of trying to produce a "greener" gecko.
In regards to Tornadoes, or Electrics, or Bloods, these lines are clearly MUCH different from regular SHTCTB's, it's easy to see the difference when one is placed next to another, hence the justification for having a name other than what is generally accepted as a SHTCTB.
Where is the distinction with "Emerines"?????
Some show a little bit of a greenish hue, others have more showing. Until somebody can come out and prove that they have a line that produces geckos that are consistently displaying green hues that are leaps and bounds above everybody else's "Emerines", they don't warrant the respect or price tag that comes along with them at the present time, and they definitely don't require everybody concerning themselves with "misrepresentation of bloodlines".
That's why these Emerines are a cash grab.
The same would have applied to TUG if they had produced SHTCTB's that were a little different than the "regular" SHTCTB's and called them Tornadoes and affixed a $800 price tag to them,...but that's not what they did. TUG proved that the Tornado colour was being passed through to some of the offspring, and those geckos that got that kind of colour were incredibly different from other SHTCTB's that everyone else was selling,..including themselves.
I do apologize to anyone that I've offended, but, this is how I feel on the matter.
Dave

 

[Allee Toler]

I agree with you for the most part, but I have a Lav Red Stripe that has intense green on here. Her "sister" didn't have any green, and she has no albino (parent, grandparent, etc, no tremper), nor any emerine blood. Each shed proves more and more green. So you can have a green gecko without having it from a tremper line. Any thoughts?

 

[jandsfannon]

You couldn't be more incorrect,..again.
ALL of my Tangerine breeders came directly from TUG's 5 Star Tornado line, I've still got the hatch certificates to prove it. When I sell "Tornadoes", I do so by telling the customer "my Tornadoes come directly from TUG lines".
Also, if it's a "Tremper" blood line that makes the "Emerines", well, I have that too, as I used a RAPTOR(the "T" stands for Tremper) to make them, so they have Tremper blood in them.
The point that I'm trying to make clearly has been missed,..let me try to re-state it in another way.
There is no genetic mutation that creates an emerine. There is no "het" for Emerine, like there is no het for Tangerine, it's line bred (inbred) with the sole intention of trying to produce a "greener" gecko.
In regards to Tornadoes, or Electrics, or Bloods, these lines are clearly MUCH different from regular SHTCTB's, it's easy to see the difference when one is placed next to another, hence the justification for having a name other than what is generally accepted as a SHTCTB.
Where is the distinction with "Emerines"?????
Some show a little bit of a greenish hue, others have more showing. Until somebody can come out and prove that they have a line that produces geckos that are consistently displaying green hues that are leaps and bounds above everybody else's "Emerines", they don't warrant the respect or price tag that comes along with them at the present time, and they definitely don't require everybody concerning themselves with "misrepresentation of bloodlines".
That's why these Emerines are a cash grab.
The same would have applied to TUG if they had produced SHTCTB's that were a little different than the "regular" SHTCTB's and called them Tornadoes and affixed a $800 price tag to them,...but that's not what they did. TUG proved that the Tornado colour was being passed through to some of the offspring, and those geckos that got that kind of colour were incredibly different from other SHTCTB's that everyone else was selling,..including themselves.
I do apologize to anyone that I've offended, but, this is how I feel on the matter.
Dave

Seriously just because you FEEL that they arent a distinct morph gives you the power to say a green gecko you made from crossing a RAPTOR to a Tang is a Emerine?? Get Real, its misrepresentation plain and simple. You are cashing in on this morph and LYING to your customers. You cannot prove that green passes down which is the WHOLE reason emerines have a morph name. Just because its line bred which Tangs are does not mean you can slap that label onto any gecko you would like just because you think its looks like it.
I brought Emerines into canada because they were not here before. I dont care if you do not agree with the price tag. That is the current market price. You however want to slap the name onto your "Green" Gecko and price them at $50.
I would agree that your green cross at this point is probably only worth that but if you prove it out that the green will STAY and PASS ON then you might have your own line. I dont care that you made it out of a cross with a Raptor. It didnt come from the EMERINE line. Oh by the way the Emerines are not simply a tang crosses to a Raptor.....theres a little more to it.
Not matter how you spin it you are stealing the name of some elses hard work to cash in on it quickly otherwise you wouldnt care to name it

 

[Tony C]

Robin, how is it that you are such a stickler for crediting photographs (which I fully agree with), but feel it's ok to steal credit for a line of geckos by misrepresenting them as someone else's? You know as a breeder what it takes to create your own distinct line, certainly a lot more time, effort, and dedication than snapping a picture, yet that effort and dedication deserves no protection? Calling an animal "X" line is ok just because it looks similar?

 

[GreenKnight Exotics]

I agree with you for the most part, but I have a Lav Red Stripe that has intense green on here. Her "sister" didn't have any green, and she has no albino (parent, grandparent, etc, no tremper), nor any emerine blood. Each shed proves more and more green. So you can have a green gecko without having it from a tremper line. Any thoughts?

That's exactly my point.
The greenish hue is not something that is unique to Tremper lines, it's something that's proven to be more of a random occurrence more than anything else.
I have hatched out some Greenie-Beenies that came from a Tornado X Normal pairing. I also hatched out from the same pairing some brilliant SHTCT's, and even one SHTCTB that has the dark orange colouring of a Tornado,..and I've hatched out some brighter coloured "normals".
What should they be called?
Green Knight Mutts?lol!
No. Nor do they command any higher of a price tag. Sometimes we get ourselves caught up in the allure of "what if I hatched out a new line??...$$$$$$$$$!!!!", you see it all the time in the ball python world.
Like I stated previously, until a specific line has been proven to consistently produce uniquely green coloured geckos, there is no "line" worthy of protecting.
Dave

 

[jandsfannon]

I agree with you for the most part, but I have a Lav Red Stripe that has intense green on here. Her "sister" didn't have any green, and she has no albino (parent, grandparent, etc, no tremper), nor any emerine blood. Each shed proves more and more green. So you can have a green gecko without having it from a tremper line. Any thoughts?

Yes you definately can I would love to see if it continues to keep that green and then passes it on thru breeding!!! You would definately have something there!! Something different from the Emerine!