My trip down to Tom Crutchfield's "operation"...

[StatikStepz]

safely in a cage. he did not free handle ANY of his hots no matter how "docile" they were. do not get mad but i think tom was an idiot for free handling that albino western diamondback. all of my friends hots were on tongs, hooks or tubed (when he was working with them). he was very professional and kept with all of his safety protocols.

Lol, why would i get mad? I'm not Tom so what do i care? Trust me, all i was worried about was keepin my good 10 ft. distance! lol.. He's the one thats been working and handling them as a profession for over 40 years now, so let him be the big tough guy and do it like it's nothin! lol

On a lighter note, I don't necessarily see it as him bein an idiot tho... If he knows what he is doing and knows his animals and has over 40 years of experience, then why couldn't he choose to pick up a rattlesnake and hold it with his bare hands..? I'm not defending him or anything, i mean like i said, thats him, not me, he can do what he wants, lol... If thats the way he chooses to handle certain snakes, then so be it... he's still alive for over 40 years now, so the more power to him, and must be doin something right! lmao ...thats kinda like Bill Haast (for those that don't know who that is, do your research, lol, he is the man when it comes to snakes)... Bill Haast handles almost all of his snakes with his bare hands (well, has stopped handling venomous ones since 2003), cuz he knows what he is doing, and has a feel for it from doin it his whole life... altho i think he has the record for the most venomous snake bites or somethin, heh..

I must say tho, watching Tom just slide out a tub with a Monacled Cobra in it, create a decoy/distraction with one hand for the snake to watch while he grabs the snake with lightning speed with his other bare hand is quite impressive! And the whole while, calm as can be, like it's nothing... and then show us, and then put it back, and walk down a little bit further and do the same thing with a rattlesnake, a few different vipers, a black mamba, etc... all like it was nothing, and completely flawlessly with no effort, was pretty awesome.

 

[gitrdone0420]

Awe, Im so bummed! I would have loved to have seen that! =/

 

[SFgeckos]

I hope he has learned from his past mistakes...

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/1999/April/140enr.htm

 

[justindh1]

I hope he has learned from his past mistakes...

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/1999/April/140enr.htm

Well looks like you just killed this thread, lol! Just having fun!:main_laugh:

I do thing that anyone who is CONVICTED of anything like this should not be allowed to keep animals period but thats just my thought. These kinda people hurt the publics perception of the industry and reptile hobbiest. I don't know the guy but can still comment about his "values". I'm sure he is probably watched like a hawk now.

 

[robin]

jon i was not going to mention that LOL i guess many of the new folks do not know of his history

 

[StatikStepz]

I hope he has learned from his past mistakes...

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/1999/April/140enr.htm

Well well well... lol.

I did not know any of this, but either way, that was over 10 years ago now, so who knows...

 

[StatikStepz]

Well looks like you just killed this thread, lol! Just having fun!:main_laugh:

I do thing that anyone who is CONVICTED of anything like this should not be allowed to keep animals period but thats just my thought. These kinda people hurt the publics perception of the industry and reptile hobbiest. I don't know the guy but can still comment about his "values". I'm sure he is probably watched like a hawk now.

Yeah, there's no doubt about it, i'm sure he is watched now. But like i said, thats over 10 years ago now, so you can comment on his values back then... but now-a-days, who knows, they may have totally changed, and he either is doing it legit and legally, or not... only he can say for sure. So no1 can make that kind of accusation now.

In all seriousness tho, this is the sort of thing that should be left at what it is. Yes, it happened, he did what he did. But any further talk about his profession or business practices should be left unsaid, because i know this is just the sort of thing to start people digging a hole for themselves. lol... Because, i'm not sure which it is, but it is either Slander, or Liable... and both legal issues and have their own legal consequences (one means written, and one means spoken, but not sure which is which, lol)

 

[robin]

no one said anything negative about him jon just posted a link to facts. no slander or libel in that. justin just stated his opinion and did not point fingers at any particular person.

 

[OneFootedAce]

Wow! I love the Albino and the blue iguana! Those are SWEEEET!

 

[StatikStepz]

no one said anything negative about him jon just posted a link to facts. no slander or libel in that. justin just stated his opinion and did not point fingers at any particular person.

:main_thumbsup: 10-4 Captain!

I know, and agree. But you know just as well as i do what something like this can turn into, and how easily it can, once every1 starts throwin their "opinions" out there, lol... Even tho, yes, it is facts what happened apparently... lol

Just saying, thats all, lol

 

[robin]

yeah i have faith though that if it was to get outa hand this thread would be closed and posts would be deleted, we have a great moderation team

 

[justindh1]

no one said anything negative about him jon just posted a link to facts. no slander or libel in that. justin just stated his opinion and did not point fingers at any particular person.

Thanks for pointing that out! :main_yes:

Yeah, there's no doubt about it, i'm sure he is watched now. But like i said, thats over 10 years ago now, so you can comment on his values back then... but now-a-days, who knows, they may have totally changed, and he either is doing it legit and legally, or not... only he can say for sure. So no1 can make that kind of accusation now.

In all seriousness tho, this is the sort of thing that should be left at what it is. Yes, it happened, he did what he did. But any further talk about his profession or business practices should be left unsaid, because i know this is just the sort of thing to start people digging a hole for themselves. lol... Because, i'm not sure which it is, but it is either Slander, or Liable... and both legal issues and have their own legal consequences (one means written, and one means spoken, but not sure which is which, lol)

All I said is that anyone convicted should not be allowed to continue anything in that field. If someone is convicted of a felony they can't legally have any firearms. If someone is convicted of animal cruelty then they are atleast llimited on the number of animals they can have if they can have any at all. It should be the same for situations like this!

I am a Bail Bondsman and know and see that people can change but there are many out there that don't. If I am convicted of any felony then there goes my Bailbonds license. Also if i'm convicted of a felony then there goes my teaching career that hasn't even started yet because my college education isn't finished. Why is this situation different then any that I stated. Answere is it shouldn't in my opinion.

Like Robin said I am not pointing fingers at all just stating my opinion. Those are felony convictions and most felonies allow "THE MAN" to take away your legal rights in situations.