Need some help rounding out my collection

[mmyers80]

We have been building our collection up, but before I proceed with making any decisions about breeding, I wanted to get some input on what would be good matches with the males we've got, that will at least produce interesting looking geckos. We don't care about high end. Just interesting looking.

Right now, we have the following:

1.2 Sunglows.
1.1 Blizzard.
0.2 Tremper Albino.
1.0 Wild phase (unknown if het for anything)
0.1 Super snow.
2.0 Mack Snow Albino
1.0 Tremper patternless.
0.2 Tangerine

I am planning on adding an additional female blizzard to complete the blizzard group. But everything else seems like a mis-mash, as a lot of them were just given to us.

Any ideas of who I could pair with one of the MS Albinos or what to obtain to pair with them?

What might be a good male to match with the two tremper females?

The patternless is a beauty. Yellow body with a pink tail. Someone has a female Rainwater that I was considering, but not sure if she would fit in.

I dunno. I'm not the best geneticist and have looked at the calculators, but wanted to get some additional input. I should add I would be interested in producing some blazing blizzards. I really like them.

 

[Tony C]

It all depends on what you like. If it was my collection I would work in Eclipses and RAPTORs.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

I would suggest throwing in some snow variations and snow eclipses in the mix. I think everything is a little better with some snow

 

[OhioGecko]

It all depends on what you like. If it was my collection I would work in Eclipses and RAPTORs.

+1

 

[turbogex]

1.2 Sunglows.
1.1 Blizzard.
1.0 Mack Snow Albino x 0.1 Super snow.
1.0 Tremper patternless. x 0.2 Tremper Albino.
1.0 Wild phase (unknown if het for anything) x 0.2 Tangerine


This is how I would pair what you have now. I would add some more snow to the group as well.

 

[mmyers80]

1.2 Sunglows.
1.1 Blizzard.
1.0 Mack Snow Albino x 0.1 Super snow.
1.0 Tremper patternless. x 0.2 Tremper Albino.
1.0 Wild phase (unknown if het for anything) x 0.2 Tangerine


This is how I would pair what you have now. I would add some more snow to the group as well.

Cool, that is what I was looking for. I know I could really do anything I want, but am interested in at least producing cool looking morphs rather than het normals.

I was looking at buying a line-bred snow. She just looks like a pale version with bigger spots than my wild phase. My plan was to do this:

1.2 Sunglows.
1.2 Blizzards.
1.0 Mack Snow Albino to 0.1 Super Snow and 0.1 Snow
1.0 Tremper Patternless to 0.2 female trempers

Wasn't sure who to mate the tangerines with, so I still had my wild phase, so I will give that a shot. I tried introducing him at one point, and he just got violent. Nipped one of the tang's heads.

I'm still trying to figure out what's recessive, what's dominant, etc. and how it'll all work.

Thanks for the help guys! If anyone else has more suggestions, keep them coming.

 

[RampantReptiles]

You could also pair one of your 1.0 Mack Snow Albino(assume this is tremper) with a 0.1 Tremper albino to make more Mack Snow albinos as well as trempers

or

match a 1.0 Mack Snow Albino to a 0.1 Blizzard to make Mack snows het Blazing Blizzard(will also make normals het blazing blizzard) then match those up the year after... ok maybe too complicated lol

But as you can see endless possibilities.

O and no 1.0 tremper patternless with a rainwater... bad bad no mixing albino strains.


You also want to keep in mind this group has the potential to create a lot of babies. Could easily produce 100 babies if not more... You should make sure you are prepared or possibly cut back on breeders. Just a thought

 

[mmyers80]

You could also pair one of your 1.0 Mack Snow Albino(assume this is tremper) with a 0.1 Tremper albino to make more Mack Snow albinos as well as trempers

or

match a 1.0 Mack Snow Albino to a 0.1 Blizzard to make Mack snows het Blazing Blizzard(will also make normals het blazing blizzard) then match those up the year after... ok maybe too complicated lol

But as you can see endless possibilities.

O and no 1.0 tremper patternless with a rainwater... bad bad no mixing albino strains.


You also want to keep in mind this group has the potential to create a lot of babies. Could easily produce 100 babies if not more... You should make sure you are prepared or possibly cut back on breeders. Just a thought

Very interesting as far as producing the het blazings. I really have a lot more research to do.

I will definitely not be breeding these groups all at once. Right now the only ones I have breeding are my sunglows, as they are the first trio I had. One female laid slugs for her first clutch, my other one has just laid her second clutch (the first she buried under the substrate over the heat mat). So, I'm working on hatching those out before I breed anybody else. All my males are kept in individual racks, and some of my girls share a 3 foot Neodesha and the rest are in a 29 gallon aquarium.

Next up will be my blizzards. Thank you for the idea, I like it.

 

[bman123]

I say get a raptor

 

[mmyers80]

Actually decided to add two more super snows, an aptor het eclipse, and another sunglow.

This is what I'm thinking for groups:

1.2 Wild phase x Tangerine.
1.2 Patternless x Tremper Albino
1.2 Mack Snow Bell Albino x Super Snow
1.2 Mack Snow Bell Albino x Super Snow x APTOR
1.3 Sunglows
1.1 Blizzard

As I was doing research, I was reading about the "Enigma Syndrome". Seems like it might be a bit of a "hot phrase" but how prevalent is this within the enigma morphs? There were a couple of beauties I was looking at but decided against because I didn't want to run into any issues.

 

[T-ReXx]

Actually decided to add two more super snows, an aptor het eclipse, and another sunglow.

This is what I'm thinking for groups:

1.2 Wild phase x Tangerine.
1.2 Patternless x Tremper Albino
1.2 Mack Snow Bell Albino x Super Snow
1.2 Mack Snow Bell Albino x Super Snow x APTOR
1.3 Sunglows
1.1 Blizzard

As I was doing research, I was reading about the "Enigma Syndrome". Seems like it might be a bit of a "hot phrase" but how prevalent is this within the enigma morphs? There were a couple of beauties I was looking at but decided against because I didn't want to run into any issues.

You definately don't want to mix albino strains, so considering your mack snow albino is a bell, then he's incompatible with all of your tremper albino morphs. So, I would not breed him with the Aptor(aptors have tremper albino)

Instead, I'd consider adding the APTOR to the Sunglow group, or getting a bell albino female instead.

As far as enigmas go, if you're new to the hobby I wouldn't suggest working with them. Enigma breeding takes careful balancing, and knowing when to cull aggressively. In my experience, about 25% of enigmas visibly show severe signs of the "syndrome" and most show at least some signs of it. I don't consider the gene to be something beginners should work with, and many advanced breeders choose not to either. It's a personal choice(I do work with enigmas, but I've got some experience and have no problem culling syndrome-exhibiting hatchlings) but before you consider a controversial morph like that think long and hard about it(and I'd advise working with non-enigma breeding for at least a year before trying it).

 

[mmyers80]

You definately don't want to mix albino strains, so considering your mack snow albino is a bell, then he's incompatible with all of your tremper albino morphs. So, I would not breed him with the Aptor(aptors have tremper albino)

Instead, I'd consider adding the APTOR to the Sunglow group, or getting a bell albino female instead.

As far as enigmas go, if you're new to the hobby I wouldn't suggest working with them. Enigma breeding takes careful balancing, and knowing when to cull aggressively. In my experience, about 25% of enigmas visibly show severe signs of the "syndrome" and most show at least some signs of it. I don't consider the gene to be something beginners should work with, and many advanced breeders choose not to either. It's a personal choice(I do work with enigmas, but I've got some experience and have no problem culling syndrome-exhibiting hatchlings) but before you consider a controversial morph like that think long and hard about it(and I'd advise working with non-enigma breeding for at least a year before trying it).

Very good to know.

Yeah, I don't plan on working with the enigmas, or really any others outside of what I've got outlined here. I'll probably add a bell female at some point. But I was just curious, because there was this awesome Mack Snow Bell Enigma. Beautiful looking. I'd buy her for the looks alone. But, I also don't want to get into anything that I can't handle. Hence why I ask. I'd rather ask now, than have trouble later if I decide to add anything else.

 

[thegeckoguy23]

wild phase as in a wild cought normal?