New, but here are my leos!

[hybrid]

Tell me what you all think please...

Please let me know what morphs these look like to you all. I'm new to this but want to learn alot from you all.

The 2 with the penny, to me look sick but maybe they are that way when young...i just know my big one(the 1st one) is awesome and healthy from what I can see.

 

[hybrid]

btw: i just got all 3 about 2 days ago from a friend. I dont know how old they are or anything... =(

 

[LeapinLizards]

Oh they are all beautiful, but the last 2 are definitely not doing well, especially the last one! Could be parasites, could be dehydrated, could be a lot of things. I honestly have not seen tails that skinny ever. Do they eat well...how often? Are you finding excrement? The first one is MUCH healthier, although I do believe that is a regenerated tail.

Things to help identify the morphs...what color eyes does the 2nd have? The first looks like my female, a high yellow, same with the last but in all honesty I am SUPER new to morphs, even though I've owned geckos for years so do not take my word for it!

Good luck on getting those others healthy. There is an emergency slurry recipe on here if they get any worse that I'd recommend. I had to give it to a female of mine awhile back and it helped a lot. It was time consuming to feed it to her, but it was WELL worth it!

Your friend needs to learn how to care for leos apparently. Those last two little ones are in pretty rough shape. Good luck though, I'm sure they will be beautiful once back to their healthy states.

 

[LeapinLizards]

Just adding...other things that could be effecting their health:

Substrate...they shouldn't be kept on calcium sand, even though people say it's ok it can still cause impaction. A lot of people including myself keep them on tiles. I keep my babies on paper towels actually.

Heat...they should have a warm and cool side of the tank, belly heat in the upper 80s (at least that's what I've always had).

 

[hybrid]

Thank-you for responding...I hope these 2 are so bad that they will die. The 1st leo i showed is much much older than the other 2. And i think its a male. I have more pics of him i will post tomarrow, as well the other 2.

I'm worried about these 2 leos though =( I hate to see them like this but I thought it was because they are young. They seem to eat just fine. I feed them crickets with calcium powder. Thats what he fed them.

I say he was a friend, but i actually just met him about 2 weeks ago. He is moving state i guess and didnt want to risk taking these guys.

 

[hybrid]

I do construction so I will get me some tile from one of the job sites. Thank-you for the info.

 

[LeapinLizards]

No problem at all.

The most important thing is that you are willing to get them healthy again

They very well could have parasites. They really should NOT be that thin. I have a 2 week old gecko fatter than that.

Another important thing to remember is that variety in the diet can be a good thing. Have you tried meal worms? I feed both giant mealies and crickets to my geckos and they have been doing great. You are doing right by dusting them with calcium. Same with the worms too.

You might want to think of whipping up some of the slurry recipe...Marcia of Golden Gate Geckos came up with it...and it can definitely save a gecko!

This recipe was developed to provide anorexic carnivorous and insectivorous geckos with life sustaining nutrition while they convalescing, and to help produce a stool for a veterinary fecal test. It is NOT medicine, and it will NOT cure anything.

In a blender, combine:

1 small can Hill's A/D pet food (available at most vets)
¼ cup Ensure (not chocolate)
1 jar baby food squash or pumpkin
¼ cup Pedialite
*2 tabs or contents of 2 capsules milk thistle (herbal supplement, liver purifier, found at most drug stores).
*2 tabs or contents of 2 capsules of Acidophilus (GI system probiotic, found at most drug stores).
1 tsp. calcium powder w/Vitamin D3
1/2 tsp. herp vitamin powder
2-4 X-large handful of mealworms, added slowly while mixture is blending until it is about the consistency of a milkshake.

*optional ingredients

Puree all ingredients until completely smooth. Pour into ice cube tray(s) and freeze. Store cubes in zip-lock bag in the freezer until ready to use, then thaw out 1 cube at a time and store in fridge for 2-3 days. You can use the empty baby food jar for this purpose, washing it thoroughly after each use.

Using this mixture, draw a full 1ml dropper (eye dropper type) and place a drop on the gecko's nose, being careful not to plug the nostrils. Be patient and do not force-feed! The gecko will lick it of its nose, and as it does, slowly squeeze out a little at a time. Most geckos love this food, and will lap it up.

~ NEVER tell anyone you put mealworms in the blender! ~

Something you may want to consider, would be to take a sample in to a vet. You can call around to see who deals with reptiles. That way you would know if parasites were the issue, as those can take a reptile down pretty quickly!

 

[LeapinLizards]

Yah tile would be great, just get a heat pad for the bottom of the tank...they'll love you for it! Geckos don't need overhead heating as much as they need belly heat...that's how they digest their food.

 

[gothra]

The first one looks fine except for the tiny bit of shed on the toes; but the 2nd and 3rd one looks VERY thin. As Heather already mentioned, I think its necessary to get them checked by a vet. Make sure you quarantine these new ones. Good luck!

As to the morphs, I think the 1st and 3rd one is high yellow, the middle one blizzard.

 

[hybrid]

I'm soooo worried about my 2 thin geckos. =( I cant believe the guy who gave them to me would do this to them. How can people sit there and watch this happen? GRRRRR lol

Anyways...i got some tile toady from my work! 2 brand new slabs of 2x2 tile. Stone tile to be exact. im going to the pet store in a few mins to get me a better heating pad and some meds i guess. The pet store owner sarah knows geckos and her hubby breeds them too!

I guess i need to buy a small plastic encloser as well to separate these guys.I dont want my big guy to become like them....

Thank-you all for responding. Ill post up some pics when i get back from pet store and change out the cage(and re-deco!) =)

 

[LeapinLizards]

That's great about the tiles and heating pads. That will help them digest their food, and make the tanks cleaner...allowing you to keep tabs on how much they are eating and digesting.

There really is no "leopard gecko parasite medicine"...at least no where I've seen! It is something you will have to get your herp vet to diagnose, and then treat since there are numerous kinds of parasite they can have. Like I said, it would be much easier to get the problem diagnosed.

If you are worried about the gecko becoming too stressed out and dying because of transport to the vet, you can always get a FRESH stool and urinate sample to take to a vet.

Quarantining them is also necessary. If they in fact DO have parasites, they can very easily infect the other gecko, if he is not infected already.

Just make sure they have PLENTY of water on the cool side of the tank, PLENTY of food, a warm hide, and a moist hide. Those are the basics. Get those covered while you are figuring out their health issues and you might very well get those lil guys back on their feet

Good luck!

 

[hybrid]

I got my tank switched around now. I'm about to take some pics, so please tell me what you all think....give me a few minutes

 

[hybrid]

New tank setup. Please comment on my redone tank!!!
I didnt get any tile that would fit so here is what i came up with. They seem to love it!

There is still the calc sand on very bottom but i put 3 paper towels between the sand and the moss.

Is the moss ok for them? The big guy seems to love the moist side. Both the sick ones like the heat side....


Also...i will take a pic for you all but i was looking for black coloring on their bellies and i did find that the reg baby does have a black tint where his stomach is =(
the blizz has a small spot. I guess this is from the sand? How do i fix this?

 

[Rhacodactyl]

If I understood correctly that all 3 are being kept together, that should be corrected asap. The last 2 are horribly thin-even skinnier than a lot of pet store leos I've seen on death's door. They should be kept individually in a much simpler enclosure so you can monitor them carefully and make sure they're eating and getting hydrated. Keeping them together with the larger gecko will just add to the problems they already have.

 

[hybrid]

Ok no problem. I'm going to walmart right now to buy some plastic containers. I will separate them and watch them close.

Ty for the reply. Is the moss ok for my big guy though?

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Moss can get ingested and cause problems down the road. I would try some paper towels or some newspaper for right now. I found through research here that they are much safer. I use tile now.

 

[LZRDGRL]

It looks splendid!

Don't they burrow through the paper towels until they reach the sand? It looks very nice and still naturalistic. They probably won't eat the moss or what it is.

I wouldn't put your big one together with the two sickly thin ones - if he's not infected already, he might become so. Sometimes, the black spot on their under-belly can be the liver, don't freak out yet - I took my very thin girl Twiggy to a vet once, and he said the black things were her organs. Luckily, she "just" had pin worms and is healthy and much bigger now after overcoming her worms, and laying a couple of clutches :main_laugh: But she wasn't as thin as yours to start with. And I suppose you can rule out that yours got thin from egg-laying - they look far too young for that. Try to get a fresh stool sample and take it to the vet for a smear; then, (s)he can tell you whether they have parasites or not.

Do a quick search on GF about crypto; if they don't have runny stool and regurgitate their food, you can rule it out. Then, the biggest danger for your other leo is out of the way. If it's "just" parasites, a dose of Panacur will cost you about 16 bucks at the vet (it's also possible to buy it and treat them yourself, but if you've never done it before you might not feel like administering it to them...).

To the others: Does anybody have a link where to order Panacur online? I couldn't find a proper one, and I don't want to end up with dogs' or cats' medicine...

In case they have impaction from substrate, I've heard one can do surgery. Or you can hope they will still somehow pass it. There are some photos here on the GF and on the Net how it will look like if it's from the substrate (beware, graphic pics; of an "autopsy" and such).

I hope your two little ones make it for you. It would be a shame if they succumbed, now that they are in good hands and have such a nice home.

Chrissy

 

[Gecko Euphoria]

I dont want to scare you but they definately need to be quarentined because sure it could just be all the things mentioned above but it also has the look of "crypto" I'm not saying they have it but I've never seen a leo that thin that did'nt have that I took a med biology class in college and we did a study on crypto and those were the closest thing I thought of when I saw these guys. I'm very worried for them but mainly for any other lizard you have crypto spreads fast and it is a slow killing disease. They lose weight and suffer. I hope you are able to get them checked or at least a fecal smear. I surely hope its just mall nutrition and dehydration. I wish you nothing but luck its very seriouse and needs quick attention. Please keep us informed on there updated condition. I'will be praying for you and those sweet geckos. I know if its not crypto that you will more than likely be able to Rehabilitate them but a vet is nessicary if you want them to live they are pretty far along with whatever the problem is. I just wanted to let you know this not to scare you but to save any other animals you have. Take care and please update us on there conditition. Good luck to you. Its very hard to see an animal that every one here loves so much it just breaks my heart. If it is caused from something your friend did you need to have him get on here if he ever trys raising these again and get information on how to take care of them. At least they are now in a better place with you and will get help. Good luck again.








together, that should be corrected asap. The last 2 are horribly thin-even skinnier than a lot of pet store leos I've seen on death's door. They should be kept individually in a much simpler enclosure so you can monitor them carefully and make sure they're eating and getting hydrated. Keeping them together with the larger gecko will just add to the problems they already have.[/QUOTE]

 

[moosassah]

I would even try separating the 2 skinny ones. I adopted 2 from a family that had "lost interest". Both looked healthy, but were kept in the same tank. Both turned out to be males. As soon as I separated them they began to thrive & gain weight...one is now about 90 grams, the other just under that.

Hopefully by separating them you will relieve even more stress & give them a better chance of coming back. Best wishes!!!!

 

[hybrid]

Thank-you all for the concerns and the replies. I love how people here HELP and not just tell the obvious. I appreciate it really.