one of these is not like the others...

[loggerboots]

I'm not a breeder, but I've hatched a few gecko eggs for friends and family (we had an accidental breeding stemming from a misidentification of one of our pet's gender).

We've had a couple normals types hatch, but this morning, we got this little guy (the smaller one, the other is an older sibling). I guess this is a 'jungle' pattern? What's with the creamy base color? What would you call this?

 

[Dimidiata]

And this is what happens when you dont know the genetics of your animals.

 

[loggerboots]

Thanks for stating the obvious. I know what you're getting at, but you needn't worry about these animals, they are well cared for and spoken for, but thanks for your concern.

 

[Dimidiata]

Its fine, you made it clear these were pets, not marketed as breeders. But it can be a problem when hidden hets jump out and screw thing up. Im not great with baby leos so ill leave it to the others. May just be a lighter color.

 

[CREATIVE GECKO]

its looking mack snow

 

[Dimidiata]

Thats what i was thinking, but i didnt want too look stupid . wasnt sure if there are other morphs that produce similar offspring.

Sooo would one of the parents happen to be het for Mack snow.

 

[loggerboots]

Thanks, yes, after seeing some pictures of Mack Snow hatchlings, I concur. Neither parent appear to be "mack snows", I had thought both were 'normals' (one is high yellow), though the mother is much duller in coloration, with a more pale base colour and a higher concentration of spotting than the father. so perhaps it comes from her side. They are pet store stock, so genetic mutts, though both are very large and healthy with calm temperaments.

Another thing that's different about this one is it is much more energetic than the others - it's very high strung, where the other two are more calm.

Thanks for the input.

 

[rebecky45]

Thats what i was thinking, but i didnt want too look stupid . wasnt sure if there are other morphs that produce similar offspring.

Sooo would one of the parents happen to be het for Mack snow.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that you can't be het for mack snow, either it is or it isn't. Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing one of the parents is a mack that has yellowed out as it aged?

 

[gmaier19]

mack snow is a co-dominant trait. if the gecko is heterozygous for mack snow, then that is was you call "mack snow" and appears white and black as hatchlings. it's very common for mack snows to get more color as they age though.

if a gecko is homozygous for mack snow, then it's what you call a "super snow", and appears stark white and black, with black eyes. these stay white and black throughout their lives.

i think the gecko in the picture is mack snow, so one of the parents must have been mack snow. it probably just colored up as it aged which, like a said, is pretty common.

i hope that helps and you enjoy your hatchlings!

 

[gmaier19]

oh and yes it does look like it has a jungle, or irregular, pattern to it.

very neat looking!

 

[rebecky45]

gmaier19, thanks for the snow lesson! I know what het means, but I was thinking of there not being a het snow as in no hidden traits. Those co-dom traits throw off my definitions!

 

[im faster]

No het for mack snow..
so ONE of the parents is a mack snow..
post pics of the parents

 

[The Gecko Person]

Co-dominant works the same way as recessive, but you can see the heterozygous form. Dominant also works the same way, but the heterozygous is not easily identified compared to the homozygous form.

 

[Dimidiata]

o.o what have i done?

Lets see mommy and daddy.

 

[rebecky45]

Haha...okay. So I was on the right track?!?!

 

[loggerboots]

I think I figured it out. My kids have 3 geckos (one each) - a high yellow, a "normal" and a "tremper albino". I had thought that the mother was the 'normal', but I think it must be the 'tremper albino' (dad got to both females before we realized what was going on and both have laid eggs). Now that I'm thinking 'Mack Snow', I can see the snow characteristics in her (picture below). She was bought at a local pet store. She's a pretty thing, but a mutt, I guess. So, mom is an Tremper albino Mack Snow Jungle ( or something like that?) - and the baby a mac snow jungle het tremper albino? What a mess.

For the record, all geckos are in their own habitats now and we only incubated as many eggs as we had homes for (3) - I realize amateur breeding can be a contentious topic, but this situation more or less under control .

Mom:

Dad:

 

[Dimidiata]

Well you see theres your problem XD.

 

[JordanAng420]

I think you figured it out as well.

Mom is a Mack Snow Tremper Albino
Dad is a Normal/High Yellow

Your hatchlings are Normals 100% het Tremper Albino and Mack Snow 100% het Tremper Albino.

Nice, beautiful healthy looking geckos!

 

[Angrychair]

its really cute :-D

good looking parents btw.

 

[rebecky45]

Yay! Mystery solved! They are nice looking parents.