Origin of the Enigma quite possible very much doutb it ?

[cjreptiles]

Well, actually any Ee would be an Enigma het, since that just means that only one of the two alleles are from the Enigma gene, and the other isn't, even if it is phenotipically an Enigma. People need to learn to separate the meaning of being het/homozygous and being dominant/recessive, etc.

All genetic morphs produce het or homozygous animals in the same way, the only thing that changes is their appearance.

As enigma is a dominant gene, you would probably be better off calling an Ee "het for normal" rather than het for enigma

 

[Gazz]

This should work for everyone who owns these leo's then ?.
Google-images calico leopard gecko.
Looks enigma but marked calico ??.
What do you think ??.

 

[cjreptiles]

This should work for everyone who owns these leo's then ?.
Google-images calico leopard gecko.
Looks enigma but marked calico ??.
What do you think ??.

Looks reminiscent of an enigma, but not quite the same to me (assuming I am looking at the right picture). The tail is very spotty indeed, whereas in all the enigmas I have seen the tail has very few spots, and the body looks a little too 'normal'. The head looks fairly enigma-esque, although its not a particularly uncommon pattern.

It seems this gecko came from a Czech breeder? Unfortunately the pictures on his site aren't working.

 

[Gazz]

Looks reminiscent of an enigma, but not quite the same to me (assuming I am looking at the right picture). The tail is very spotty indeed, whereas in all the enigmas I have seen the tail has very few spots, and the body looks a little too 'normal'. The head looks fairly enigma-esque, although its not a particularly uncommon pattern.

It seems this gecko came from a Czech breeder? Unfortunately the pictures on his site aren't working.

Yes that what i was thinking looks like but so/so ?? be nice if someone could translate the lauguage see what it says.

This link should work.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?s...C,GFRC:2006-52,GFRC:en&q=calico+leopard+gecko

 

[eyelids]

Great find! That sure looks a lot like an Enigma to me. Too bad the pics aren't bigger...

 

[Gazz]

Yes that what i was thinking looks like but so/so ?? be nice if someone could translate the lauguage see what it says.

This link should work.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?s...C,GFRC:2006-52,GFRC:en&q=calico+leopard+gecko

Just worked out the lauguage click the link then just click any of the pictures then below the band for the picture is the original web site look at the page you will see a union jack AKA british flag icon click that the lauguage will be translated to English.The web site is in (page in progress) so i'll keep an eye on it and repost a link when it's in full working order.

 

[eyelids]

There's pics of his "Blutail Calico" in Fotogalerie 01 and 02. Looks a lot like an Enigma to me. Remember babies hatch like this.

Hmmm...

 

[Gazz]

There's pics of his "Blutail Calico" in Fotogalerie 01 and 02. Looks a lot like an Enigma to me. Remember babies hatch like this.

Hmmm...

Ok this maybe the biggist fluke ever but me saying enigmas maybe being along the line of the Mack past/ghost x mack super snow = calico line this looking like well you tell me ENIGMA ? and being called a ghost ?.

Click the link scroll to the bottom.Now if that the mum or dad but looks mum from her size to the baby one where did he get it ???? i wonder what it's history is ??.

http://macularius.wz.cz/e-mac-chovni.htm

 

[cjreptiles]

Ok this maybe the biggist fluke ever but me saying enigmas maybe being along the line of the Mack past/ghost x mack super snow = calico line this looking like well you tell me ENIGMA ? and being called a ghost ?.

Click the link scroll to the bottom.Now if that the mum or dad but looks mum from her size to the baby one where did he get it ???? i wonder what it's history is ??.

http://macularius.wz.cz/e-mac-chovni.htm

I'm not quite sure what you mean. There is no evidence that "Blutail Calico" has any Mack blood in it at all.

 

[eyelids]

I sent this guy an email and asked him to post pics here so hopefully he comes.

 

[Gazz]

I'm not quite sure what you mean. There is no evidence that "Blutail Calico" has any Mack blood in it at all.

I maybe waaaaaaaaaay of mark but this is purely theory anyway but look at the link where the 'ghost' is.There's some superhypo's het albino calimero & candy to me look very much like mack ghost known as ghost AKA dominant hypo these are not mack snow ghost but are spotless body mack pastel's (dominant) same as :main_thumbsup:.Pastels are where the Alex Hue calico came from now they could be just very nice looking hypo's but they do have the whiteist head color of the mack pastel here a link to Alex Hue Ghost AKA dominant hypo,hypo pastel,Well i serpose we won't know nothing more onless the owner join's the forum etc but has he ever brought from Alex Hue ?? we'll have to wate and see.Also be interest to see the normal offsring of a enigma X normal mating if there is mack pastel in there it would show it's face i've see a picture of a enigma with a normal sibling on this fourm KelliH i beleave where's that baby now what dose it look like now.420Geckos was it you that said mack pastel as babys are id by the white line on the first band.
is that a white line i see ??? on the normal ??.
http://www.geckoforums.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=676&si=enigma

Here a link to Alex Hue avaible ghost's aka dominant hypo that i think bare a good likeness to the super hypo's owned by macularius'web.
http://www.alexhuereptiles.com/Geckos/leos.html

 

[Gregg M]

Why is it so hard to accept the fact that Enigmas are their own genetic mutation and not a combo of genetics???

Some of you are loosing sight of what it is by trying to figure out what you think it might be...

The only way you will figure out how these genetics work is to shell out the salt and breed them yourself...

 

[Gazz]

The mack ghosts are mack snow ghosts. He was trying to find a way to produce a completely colorless patternless gecko and so he crossed them with the ghost morph (which is a hypomelanistic gene that looks like a SHT). All mack ghosts are het for super snow and ghost at the same time. Mack Pastels are a different morph that popped out of the mack project early on. I think you confused the two maybe. :main_robin:

Nop sorry they are differant a ghost AKA dominant hypo's,mack ghost are hypo mack pastel there for (dominant) you can not get super snow from these.
Here's a link;Look at the price mack snow's aren't that cheep yet.
http://www.alexhuereptiles.com/Geckos/leos.html

Mack snow ghost are co-dom so can perduce super snow.There's even mack snow pastel ghost but that's to head doing here a link to mack snow ghost's scoll though the avaible there in there somewhere look at the price should convince you there both differant.
http://www.alexhuereptiles.com/Geckos/mackleos.html

 

[eyelids]

Yeah man... Enigmas aren't a combination of morphs... You should quit with that idea... Like Gregg said,

The only way you will figure out how these genetics work is to shell out the salt and breed them yourself...

EDIT: Where are these Mack Ghosts? He has Ghosts and Mack Snow Ghosts, but I don't see Mack Ghosts. I think you've scrambled your brain! :main_thumbsup:

 

[okapi]

Nop sorry they are differant a ghost AKA dominant hypo's,mack ghost are hypo mack pastel there for (dominant) you can not get super snow from these.
Here's a link;Look at the price mack snow's aren't that cheep yet.
http://www.alexhuereptiles.com/Geckos/leos.html

Mack snow ghost are co-dom so can perduce super snow.There's even mack snow pastel ghost but that's to head doing here a link to mack snow ghost's scoll though the avaible there in there somewhere look at the price should convince you there both differant.
http://www.alexhuereptiles.com/Geckos/mackleos.html

Yes, those in the first link are ghosts. Not mack and not pastel, just ghost. Hes also sold mack ghosts on his mack snow for sale page that are the result of breeding mack snow X ghost. Breeding a mack SNOW ghost to any mack snow could produce mack super snows. That is the reason Alex bred them, he is trying to produce a completely patternless super snow. Ask him, he'll tell you about it. If his Mack Ghosts were mack pastel ghosts, that what he would label them as. He gets right to the point with genetics and doesnt use fancy terms. He labels them exactally what they are. A mack snow he calls a mack, a mack super snow he calls a super snow, a mack pastel he calls a mack pastel. He used murphy patternless for his patternless super snow project too, but since the ghost gene is dominant he can doesnt have to worry about possible hets when breeding two togeather to try and get his patternless super snow. Pastels are different than mack snows (isnt that what I was saying in my first post...?), they are a completely different morph that Alex hue was one of the frst to hatch. He likes them because they can be bred into other lines to "pastel out" the colors and make a lighter, prettyier gecko. Thats what he is doing with them. He is also trying to see what a Mack super snow mack pastel would look like. As I said before, Alex Hue has done alot of amazing things with his mack project.

 

[Gazz]

OK i'll let sleeping dogs you know what as there is no proper evidence.But IF there's ever any new evidence i'll be back to annoye :drummer: with a vengeane :main_evilgrin: .The door is shut but not locked .

 

[cjreptiles]

Why is it so hard to accept the fact that Enigmas are their own genetic mutation and not a combo of genetics???

Agreed.

 

[Gregg M]

EDIT: Where are these Mack Ghosts? He has Ghosts and Mack Snow Ghosts, but I don't see Mack Ghosts. I think you've scrambled your brain! :main_thumbsup:

"Hes got a large fry and a shake, but I dont see a big mac"... Dude, what the hell are you even talking about??? My brain is scrambled??? LOL

What exactly would a Mack ghost be??? A mack snow ghost is a result of a Mack snow X ghost (name of a hypo line) pairing...
I am not sure how this is confusing you... Its pretty straight foward... Its like saying "I have super hypos and super hypo mack snows, but where the mack super hypos"...

If you want Enigmas, BUY THEM... You keep holding on to the idea that you are all of a sudden going to figure out its genetic make up and produce them yourself... It aint gonna happen... You are not going to get Enigmas from BSBs, ghost, or mack snow ghost or BSB X mack snow ghost... The only way to get Enigmas at this point is to buy one from Kelli.... So get the hammer and bust the piggy bank open... LOL

 

[eyelids]

Gregg why are you coming at me with this? That entire post was directed at Gazz. I was being sarcastic anyway. I know the secret now and I figured it out on my own. Enigma = ... :main_evilgrin: My mouth is shut and there will be no more open BSB discussion from me on the net until further notice.

 

[okapi]

This is your further notice You can start talking about them again :main_thumbsup:

I like the BSB posts, how often do people working on something totally new tell people about their theories and show ALOT of pictures? Usually not until the morph has hit the market and sales have started...