POLL - NAMING MORPHS

[Golden Gate Geckos]

There's been a several threads on 'new' morphs and what they are being called. I though it might be a good idea to put up a poll so we all can express how we feel (anonymously) about it all.

There have only been a handfull of legtimate 'new' genetic morphs that have been produced randomly. The rest are combination morphs derived from existing morphs. How do YOU feel about all the different names given to the morphs that are being produced?

 

[eyelids]

I chose the third option, but I am in favor of naming distinguished lines among a single morph... Using Tangerines as an example: Tangerine Tornado, Electric Tangerine, HG Tang, etc. etc...

 

[Greyscale_Geckos]

Definitely too many egos involved in the naming process of morphs. It gets super confusing to see one morph with four different names. I think that if it is something completely new it deserves its own name... However if it is a combo that could be described already, why give it another name?

For example: The enigma deserved a name because there were no other names to describe it.

However, things like "sunglows" don't need fifty zillion names, just call it by what it is...

 

[The Sunset Gang]

I chose the third one. But was about to choose I am so confused my head is about to explode. Will you guys please stop this!!! HaHa. A few of the threads about naming and different genetics just make me want to pull my hair out. This is why I feel we should try to standardize naming just so people don't end up commiting themselves that the psych ward of their local hospital.

 

[Brhaco]

I believe if an animal exhibits a definite new APPEARANCE that is reproducable, then it deserves a name, whether it is a brand new mutation (like an Enigma), or a new combo morph (like a RAPTOR).

That wasn't one of the poll options, so I chose the closest (#2). I would of course prefer option #3, but I believe it to be impossible....

 

[Greyscale_Geckos]

I chose the third one. But was about to choose I am so confused my head is about to explode. Will you guys please stop this!!! HaHa. A few of the threads about naming and different genetics just make me want to pull my hair out. This is why I feel we should try to standardize naming just so people don't end up commiting themselves that the psych ward of their local hospital.

Amen to that!

 

[GeckoJunkie]

Third option here. I think sooner or later something will have to be done, otherwise itis going to get crazier than it already is.

 

[TokayKeeper]

speaking of confusing......

electric tangerine? (no guess on this one)

firewater? (same as sunglow?? = hypo and albino genes expressed together, such as in corn snakes)

 

[Nigel4less]

I think Firewater,is fine. But why can't we just call them Hybinos or Sunglows. And just leave it at that!!!

 

[Ccrashca069]

I picked the 3rd option but almost picked the 4th about too many egos. That was a close tie.

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

I completely agree with Brad on this.

I believe if an animal exhibits a definite new APPEARANCE that is reproducable, then it deserves a name, whether it is a brand new mutation (like an Enigma), or a new combo morph (like a RAPTOR).

That wasn't one of the poll options, so I chose the closest (#2). I would of course prefer option #3, but I believe it to be impossible....

 

[TokayKeeper]

since I failed to answer the question in my original post...

I went with #4. I took quite a long break from leos for someone that as long as 12 years ago and as recent as 5-6 years ago was passionate about leos. The last time I bred any of my personal animals was 3 years ago and I mainly took the break due to the chore of simply keeping the geckos and the rest of my personal herp collection clean, healthy, and regularly fed while balancing 14+ credit hours of NMSU biology dept course requirements, field herping both professionally for research and just for kicks, and interning at the Las Cruces Museum of Natural History where I'm now the supervisor (Naturalist/ "unofficial curator") of my former intern position overseeing our Nature Center (~154 animals [fish are hard to count without draining down a tank or 2], programs, playing safety officer, and weekend manager). I'd check in from time to time on things, lurking if you will, plus spending countless hours randomly on the phone or MSN with Kelli and all I've got to say is HOLY CRAP! The assinine-ness and down right confusion of what's what is nuts. I've been reading posts here, talked with Marcia for over an hour on Thursday, doing searches on various breeder websites every night for the last week after getting off of work and I might as well be a n00b with the amount of confusion and ego pi**ing matches on naming I'm seeing.

WTH happened to calling "leucistics" leucistic or patternless. Now we've gotta call patternless "Murphy patternless" all because some un-named nut job called a gecko with black tail markings (ummm, h-e-l-l-oooo a pattern!) and little to no body spotting "patternless". And WTF is an electric tangerine?! :dizzy2:

I pitty da foo! :Mr-T:

< /rant >

 

[bleeding_sarcasm]

I dont think combination morphs diserve their own new name. Only NEW genetic traits or like, signature line bred stuff.

Dans Firewaters are a perfect example, you know they are tang X Rainwater, but they are also so much more, Joe blow cant cross a tang and a rainwater and hope to get a firewater just like that.

Joe blow CAN cross a RAPTOR with a blazing blizzard and make "diablo blancos", calling them "diablo blancos" or "embers" or any of the other weird names that there are out there are just like marketing ploys to make them SOUND cooler then they already are IMO. Dont get me wrong, I love me some combo morphs, BUT I dont think they deserve a new name.

Why not just call it "Red Eyed blazing blizzard?" Or... "Albino eclipse blazing blizzard"

I also think it gets really confusing, when descriptions use names of morphs when they dont actually contain that morph, Does that make sense?

My example is the "patternless" in RAPTOR, its not actually patternless, so why call it patternless? "reverse stripe X stripe" would add a few more letters, but at least it would be accurately represented.

Trying to remember the names for everything, makes me want to punch myself in the face.... repeatedly.

Then again, maybe I am just jealous, because i will never get to be that breeder who makes all the awesome combos first ;p

 

[bleeding_sarcasm]

I chose the third option, but I am in favor of naming distinguished lines among a single morph... Using Tangerines as an example: Tangerine Tornado, Electric Tangerine, HG Tang, etc. etc...

What happened to using a breeders name when describing a particular line?

Like TUG snows? Gem Snows, Mack Snows, Alby's Snows, etc.

And going with awesome linebred stuff, Marcia, feel free to name your patternless carrot tails, anything you want

 

[ByRandom]

I think that if a morph has a name already (i.e. enigma) when you combine it with another morph that has a name already (i.e. mack snow) it is a combination of the morph names (i.e. mack snow enigma), not another morph or another name. Whenever I first started keeping leopard geckos, the simple albinism strains were hard enough for me to comprehend, much less a morph that now has 12 different names that comes in various different patterns and colors.

If a morph or particular trait is genetic, the name should stick with it (i.e. eclipse). Just because you combine the "gene" with another morph doesn't warrant a total morph nomenclature overhaul.

I understand that hobbyists and businesses want their geneology and bloodline to stand out. I also understand that we are all looking for some sort of marketability. However, I do not think that this should be accomplished by flooding the community with a mass of names that, if you don't do extensive research, you are unable to figure out.

Granted, some breeders/hobbyists may list the individual morphs that were used to produce the newly named combo-morph; but why should we as hobbyists and consumers have to go through all the trouble of trying to figure out what a "Rojo bandito" or "Orion" or "Super Speckled White with Black Eyes, no Red --Even Less Yellow - commonly referred to as SSWBERELY" is...

 

[elphani]

I think too that new genetic mutations and linebred morphs (to know what lineage they are from) deserves their own name! ''Electric's'' or ''Tangerine Tornado's'' (and so on) are not just Tangerines! There is a lot of work to do for such an beautiful lineage!

But morphcombos for me are just what they are: very beautiful but only Morph combos . And this year the market will explode with all these combos! I believe the only way not to lose track of things is to name the geckos exactly what they are....(even if it needs a lot more letters).... everything else would be too confusing (at least for me ).
I think it is very important that we try to be very strictly in naming the gex. As APTOR/RAPTOR is a established morph combo name, i think it's o.k. to keep it that way but it's confusing when everthing that is albino and has red eyes automatically is called a RAPTOR. Maybe I am too strictly in thinking about naming the gex but I believe that this is what will keep the market on a good level!

 

[yellermelon]

I was pretty much thinking what bleeding sarcasm typed..so now I dont have to type very much

 

[mynewturtle]

I voted: I think the combination morphs should be called by the name of the parent's morphs name, ie: Mack Snow Tremper Enigma Blizzard instead of "HYSNOW BLIGMA"

I don't want the leo morphs to get stupid like bp morphs.

 

[Ipsl]

The problem I have with number four and why I DO think you SHOULD name morphd however you want is not a hard arhument but I like to play devils advocate here.

Now the problem I have with not naming combos is it can get pretty long and tiresome. An Ruby Eyed Patternless Bell Blizzard could be misinterpreted as a lets say a Ruby Eyed Mac Bell or something. Ive been wrinting ALOT of names down recently and It does get a litte tiresome. Now with a lot of these combination morphs anybody could make them yes but the chances are minute when combining multiple Morphs. So I think that does deserve its own name to a certain degree. Blazing Blizzards are a great example of a name that sounds good. I think when nameing new combo's there should be some kind of standardization but more along the lines of just havubg the ROOT morph involved. Like insteed of RAPTOR you could say Ruby Eyed patternless striped Tremper. (REPST?!) but I dont think that anyone can dictate what another person chooses to name there animals. I think its up to the rest of us to have the unity and orginiztion to accept or reject the name, Imagine if everyone said "Diablo Blanco's?.... Oh you mean a blahibty blah blah." When the community uses the name, there by validateing it, we are as much to blame foe the "out of control" egos names. But in all fairness if I make a new combo morph... your damn right Im nameing it what ever I want

 

[CarrotTail]

I think new names will get morphs that are new genetic mutation(e.g. Enigma) and morphs that are combination of a little more mutation e.g. RAPTOR include carrot tail, tangerine, hypomelianism etc. But now I see all new combo with Enigma morphs get new name so maybe other combos should get next new name e.g. super snow patternless albino(3 different morphs) - SPAS xD On the other hand new names don't be very onerous (e.g. i really like nova ) but for some people which start leo breedeing lot of names can be too hard to understand their genetics.