POLL - NAMING MORPHS

[boutiquegecko]

I pretty much agree with "actual new morphs" should have a name like the enigma, or if a new albino popped out or something. Also agreeing with the linebreds/combo mophs that can be proven reproduced. Some of those out there are very deserving of a name I think-like the rrs, or Dan, Kelli and TUG's super tangs. I don't understand why these crosses of enigmas or macks with other morphs suddenly need a new name because someone was the first to hatch one out. I mean, the sspa's don't have cool names for each albino morph do they? I also don't get why we are putting "ruby eye" in a name title. It can only be a few things, so I'd rather know the genes behind the ruby eye.

 

[marula]

i think that is allowed that only for really new genetic morph the breeder that found the mutation give it the new name..
regarding the combos the better way is called geckos by the name of the parent's morphs name (ie: Mack Snow Tremper Enigma Blizzard instead of "HYSNOW BLIGMA")..
only in few case (when a breeder has select for MANY YEARS a combo or a morph that show some distinctive traits) the selector can give to his "creation" a specific name...

 

[paulnj]

I think TANGIGMA is cool, but so is tangerine high white, white and TANG.... :main_lipsrsealed:

NO VOTE from me, but interesting read.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I think that if a morph has a name already (i.e. enigma) when you combine it with another morph that has a name already (i.e. mack snow) it is a combination of the morph names (i.e. mack snow enigma), not another morph or another name.

I agree with this.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

**** ATTENTION ****

In all fairness, I added an additional category to the POLL:

I dont think combination morphs deserve their own new name, only NEW genetic traits or signature line bred morphs.

If you would like to change your vote to this option, please PM me and let me know which one you already voted on and I'll remove your vote and move it.

 

[Mel&Keith]

I agree with this.

Me too. Marcia, I can't believe you only let us pick one answer! For me it was a tie between, standardize the names, too many egos, and my head is going to explode.

Someone mentioned Blazing Blizzard which I think is a good example... If it would have just been called an (Albino) Blizzard, ie. Tremper Blizzard, Bell Blizzard, or RW Blizzard then there would be no confusion as to which kind it is and the name would just as short. How many times do you see a gecko labeled "Blazing Blizzard" at a pet store. Chances are it's a Tremper but what if other albino strains were just as common?

I think it's fine to tack on the Breeder's project name with the morph, such as "Kelli's Electric line Tangerines" or "a RW Stripe from Jeremy's Raining Red Stripe line"... These are all line bred traits that each breeder has worked for years on to make different from other people's lines.

But these off the wall names for new combo morphs have to go. It's a marketing ploy that's only going to lead to mass confusion...IMO.

 

[bleeding_sarcasm]

I don't want the leo morphs to get stupid like bp morphs.

That is EXACTLY what I said to someone last night! I said "It is starting to sound like ball pythons" where each combo has an individual name.

Someone mentioned Blazing Blizzard which I think is a good example... If it would have just been called an (Albino) Blizzard, ie. Tremper Blizzard, Bell Blizzard, or RW Blizzard then there would be no confusion as to which kind it is and the name would just as short. How many times do you see a gecko labeled "Blazing Blizzard" at a pet store. Chances are it's a Tremper but what if other albino strains were just as common?

Once there become more then one type of blazing blizzard, you had to specify what kind it was anyway, and I agree that a "Tremper blizzard" or "rainwater blizzard" communicates that it is a albino/blzzard combo without the need of the extra blazing.

 

[PacHerp]

I think it's fine to tack on the Breeder's project name with the morph, such as "Kelli's Electric line Tangerines" or "a RW Stripe from Jeremy's Raining Red Stripe line"... These are all line bred traits that each breeder has worked for years on to make different from other people's lines.

But these off the wall names for new combo morphs have to go. It's a marketing ploy that's only going to lead to mass confusion...IMO.

I completely agree.... :main_yes:

 

[boutiquegecko]

Someone mentioned Blazing Blizzard which I think is a good example... If it would have just been called an (Albino) Blizzard, ie. Tremper Blizzard, Bell Blizzard, or RW Blizzard then there would be no confusion as to which kind it is and the name would just as short. How many times do you see a gecko labeled "Blazing Blizzard" at a pet store. Chances are it's a Tremper but what if other albino strains were just as common?



I think it's fine to tack on the Breeder's project name with the morph, such as "Kelli's Electric line Tangerines" or "a RW Stripe from Jeremy's Raining Red Stripe line"... These are all line bred traits that each breeder has worked for years on to make different from other people's lines.

But these off the wall names for new combo morphs have to go. It's a marketing ploy that's only going to lead to mass confusion...IMO.

Completely agree. I'm all for marketing, but I think it just leads to confusion, especially people new to morphs etc.
btw-I had some guy at a show tell me the bb's he was selling were bells. Ok guy. This was when Kelli had hers alive-the one and only bell blazing around.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I can't believe you only let us pick one answer!

I actually meant to give more than one option, but I didn't check the box and can't edit this part of the poll!

 

[Ipsl]

The problem is the huge mouthful you have to say when you combine more than two genetic traits. Eclipsed (Ruby) Eyed Patternless Tremper Blizzard just is alot.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I feel the names are getting slightly out of control myself. Call me old school, but keeping it simple, is the way to go.:main_thumbsup: That is the way it always has been, unless you are into snakes, which I am not.

List the morphs, even if it is some sort of abbreviation. That makes the most sense. Making a name for a combination, that does not explain the genetics, does not even relate to geckos, or does not relate to the appearance of the morph, is not very appealing IMHO.

Good examples of combo-morph names: Like someone said Blazing Blizzards. It relates to the morph, and gives you some indication that is not simply a Blizzard. "Blazing" = Albino in this case.

Raining Red Stripes, this is very simple and gives an indication that it is not just a Red Stripe. "Raining" = Rainwater in this case. It is not like Jeremy changed the name of the actual morph. It says almost exactly what it is, and is very clever.

Just a few examples, there are more, and I am not even going into ones I consider "poor" examples of morph names, at this time.

Just imagine if the SHTCT combination had been given a new name, and the first Patternless Albinos, and then every combination that has come since. Then we`de need a name for the Bell, Rainwater, and Tremper Hybinos. We`de need a name for the three different kind of Patternless Albinos, and so on, and so on. I think it would be way out of control by now.

 

[goReptiles]

Although, I love the new interesting names that have come about, I think that it would be best to keep it simple when regards to combo morphs. But, when it comes to selective breeding and such, names are definately an additive.

I think it gets confusing, to the point where it's like why couldn't you have just said it was a ... versus a *** (sorry i'm tired so no true examples, but hopefully I came across properly).

Interesting conversation going on here.

 

[TokayKeeper]

What would be nice, and some have done this, is if we're going to have egos naming the same morph with 3 or 4 different names, how about EXPLAINING the genetics behind it. I think that's been the most confusing part for me having just started back up cold turkey. Like I said, some explain it and I thank those breeders in doing so as it's allowed me to understand the genetics behind things better versus going WTH...these look like the same thing!

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Then we`de need a name for the Bell, Rainwater, and Tremper Hybinos. We`de need a name for the three different kind of Patternless Albinos, and so on, and so on. I think it would be way out of control by now.

Exactly! I think we should just stick with Tremper, Rainwater (or is it Las Vegas?), or Bell Hybino... or Tremper, Las Vegas, or Bell Patternless (or is it Murphy Patternless?). No wonder people are getting confused!

 

[dprince]

Although I think some of the new names for combo morphs are pretty fun, they are very confusing. While I'm happy for the people who hatch them first, just by being the first to hatch something (that other people are just days or weeks behind on) doesn't give someone, IMHO, the rights to make up some fancy name and expect others to call it the same. If people want to, whatever. Just as *I* can't control someone wanting to name something whatever they feel like, *no one* is going to tell me what I *have* to call something. My feeling is, call a spade a spade - I want to know what the genetics are. If it's a RWPMS, that's what I want to know. If someone calls that an "abominable snowman", be my guest. It won't be advertised that way on my site.

Now, if you come up with a combo morph that is visible and reproducible that NO ONE else has (RAPTOR comes to mind), game on. But by just combining existing morphs that others will be (and are already) working on doesn't count in my book.

Now, brand new mutations, you can name them whatever you want (enigmas, Mack Snows, etc.). Random mutations are like winning the lottery, and if you're that lucky, then you should get the prize of the name. I also am totally OK with linebred specialties (like the tangs) getting their own names (HG tangs, electric tangs, TT). I like to know the lineage. And like Tamera said, Dan's Firewaters are not just rainwater hybinos.......they're an animal all unto their own. And those are just a few of many examples.

So there's my two cents, with no disrespect intended towards anyone.

 

[boutiquegecko]

You guys make a good point-Marcia on the other thread too-if everyone who crosses the same morphs and call them something else it is confusing.
Just look at how many times some asks what is the difference between a hybino, sunlgow and the third one. Then it gets even better when people start asking, well if a hybino is a bell, and tremper is sunglow why do people list them as bell sunglow and tremper hybino?
I think a good ex would be for the raptors-for the bell and rw forms to just replace the "t" with "b" or "w" so then one knows what albino strain is being used and also knows the genetics behind it. It may not make an actual dictionary word, but at least ya know what it is.

 

[A&M Gecko]

Is very interesting to see how some people do not mind that animals like tangerine can be named differently then just tangerine because is a line bred from a breeder. We have hundreds of breeder, imagine if we all come up with a different name for just tangerine alone we will have who knows how many names. This is not confusing? lol.
Then I can turn things around and tell you this, Nova is not an enigma raptor, is a line bred enigma raptor from A&M Gecko and this will make things alright by your standards? This is ridiculous in my opinion, you are agreeing in one thing and then disagreeing on the other that can be, actually, is the exact thing. Think about it. Anyway, in the pool there is none of the item that I will chose.
Alberto

 

[ByRandom]

The "Enigma" is not a linebred trait (unlike tangerines), it is a genetic morph. The "RAPTOR" is not a linebred trait (unlike tangerines), it is a genetic morph. So your comparison would be like comparing apples to oranges, in my opinion.

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

Disclaimer - "This is only my opinion, everyone has one, this is mine".


In my opinion, you can't have it both ways... either you can name a morph or you can not. You can not make consessions for specific animals, traits or breeders. It is ok to name this ... but not this. I think that is a cop out.

Myself, having named a morph, believe that you can call an animal whatever you want. Getting other people to call it the same thing is an honor and show of respect. You don't have to comply or conform. This has been the way science and the world at large has worked since way back. You don't have to agree with it, that is your option/opinion but it is the way the world works.